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update: TechCrunch's SpinLaunch spins up a $35M round to continue building its space catapult is worth a read and contains this cool rendering.

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SpinLaunch file photo


Ars Technica's Edition 1.34 of the Rocket Report! says:

SpinLaunch signs deal with Spaceport America. Spaceport America has announced that SpinLaunch has signed a lease to conduct tests at the facility in southern New Mexico and that the company will invest up to $7 million in facilities there, Parabolic Arc reports. The company considered several locations for the test site, but the New Mexico-based site provided the best mix of affordability and location.

A novel approach ... SpinLaunch is developing a kinetic-energy launch system that would spin in a circle at up to 5,000 miles per hour before it is released to fly to space. The system would not use any propellants, and the company has reportedly raised $40 million in venture-capital funding. We're intrigued but will remain skeptical until we see some test flights. (submitted by Ken the Bin)

That's 2222 meters/sec so I'm guessing they are only talking about building a suborbital demo? Or does it have a propulsive "2nd stage"?

The Wikipedia article SpinLaunch doesn't say much about how this is going to work:

Technology

SpinLaunch intends to develop a space launch technology that aims to reduce dependency on traditional chemical rockets. Instead, a novel technology will use a large centrifuge to store energy and will then rapidly transfer that energy into a catapult to send a payload to space at up to 4,800 kilometres per hour (3,000 mph). If successful, the acceleration concept is projected to be both lower cost and use much less power, with the price of a single space launch reduced to under US$500,000.[2] The speed required to maintain Low Earth orbit is 27,000 kilometres per hour (17,000 mph).

The last sentence is a bit unusual as it seems to be a disconnected factoid, as if it wants to remind us that the company's numbers are deeply sub-orbital without coming out and saying "their current speed is way too low to go to orbit!"

Their website doesn't seem to address the issue either.

Is there any engineering information out there on the feasibility of spinning something to orbital launch velocity while on the ground and then letting it go? I don't need the blueprints, but at least an informed discussion or educated speculation.

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    I note that at no point in the article is the word “orbit” used. – Russell Borogove Jan 29 '19 at 16:10
  • @RussellBorogove That's interesting. It turns out that the last sentence in the linked Wikipedia paragraph deftly slid the word "orbit" in, but in an interesting way... I've since quoted the curious paragraph. – uhoh Jan 29 '19 at 16:20
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    Even if they launched at 8km/s the payload would try to return to the launch point, without some kind of circularization burn at apogee. – Russell Borogove Jan 29 '19 at 16:26
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    It's not clear if their catapult is mechanical or electromagnetic. They might just be using a flywheel instead of the more common capacitor banks to power some form of railgun or coilgun. – Steve Linton Jan 29 '19 at 16:46
  • @RussellBorogove that's another reason why a propulsive "2nd stage" might come in handy. – uhoh Jan 29 '19 at 16:47
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    I've quoted this a couple of times before, but: "Many novel launch schemes need some amount of help from rockets. What kills a lot of them is doing a tradeoff study of just enlarging the rocket part and getting rid of the non-rocket part. Surprisingly often, that works out to be better and cheaper." --Henry Spencer – Russell Borogove Jan 29 '19 at 17:57
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    What altitude are they proposing to throw things from? With normal rockets, getting through the lower layers of atmosphere is a problem. – David Thornley Jan 29 '19 at 18:51
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    @RussellBorogove That quote about novel launch schemes could not be quoted too often. – Uwe Jan 29 '19 at 20:35
  • "I note that at no point in the article is the word “orbit” used". Well spotted. I missed that. @RussellBorogove – Matthew Christopher Bartsh Apr 26 '21 at 16:29
  • @DavidThornley Good question. It's remarkable how many crucial details like this have been left out of the article. – Matthew Christopher Bartsh Apr 26 '21 at 16:37
  • That is an awesome photo. But I wonder why the device is not a cone with a diameter close to half the length, like a MIRV or MARV, because it's job is also to go through the atmosphere at high speed without losing much speed to air resistance, and without getting damaged. – Matthew Christopher Bartsh Apr 26 '21 at 17:04

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One thing I wondered about is whether this idea is plausible at all. I think it's pretty clearly not for reasons I'll go into below, but the initial question is can you make something strong enough to do what you want to do ignoring practical considerations?

In theory

So, first of all let's consider a simplified thing: two equal masses connected by some kind of light cable being spun, and at some point you'll let go of one of the masses (and deal with the other one, and the cable, somehow...) The question is whether you can make the cable strong enough.

Let the masses be $m$, the cable have length $2r$, and the angular velocity of the thing be $\omega$. The masses are moving with speed $v = r\omega$, and the centripetal acceleration is $a = r\omega^2$. So the tension in the cable is

$$T = m r \omega^2 = \frac{mv^2}{r}$$

Let the tensile strength of the cable be $u$, then the strength of the cable $\pi u d^2/4$ where $d$ is the diameter of the cable.

So we can rearrange this to get $d$, which is the interesting thing: we need $d$ to be really small otherwise our approximation goes horribly wrong as the cable is not light and you have to do harder sums.

So in the light-cable approximation then you get:

$$d \ge 2v\sqrt{\frac{m}{\pi r u}}$$

(I have convinced myself that this is OK dimensionally, anyway).

So, let's assume you want to give something escape velocity, and you're going to use carbon nanotubes to make the cable. Let's assume:

  • $m = 1\,\mathrm{kg}$;
  • $r$ = $100\,\mathrm{m}$, so the diameter of the thing is going to be $200\,\mathrm{m}$, which I'm assuming is the largest structure you can plausibly build and protect (see below);
  • $v = 1.2\times 10^4\,\mathrm{ms^{-1}}$ (a bit over escape velocity for the Earth: orbital velocity is less of course, but it's not that much less);
  • $u = 10^{10}\,\mathrm{Pa}$, which is perhaps plausible.

So this gives

$$d \ge 1.35\,\mathrm{cm}$$

So, well you could probably build such a thing, but I'm pretty sure the 'light cable' assumption is wrong and you'd have to take account of the mass of the cable. This might kill you, but my intuition is it won't.

One additional thing we can work out (thanks to Christopher James Huff for pointing out that I probably should) is what the centripetal acceleration of the thing is just before launch. From the expressions $v = r\omega$ and $a = r\omega^2$ it's easy to get $a$ in terms of $v$ and $r$:

$$a = \frac{v^2}{r}$$

This shows why larger structures are better, but also why higher launch velocities are bad news. For our proposed $100\,\mathrm{m}$ radius launcher, at escape velocity, we get $a \approx 1.4\times 10^6\,\mathrm{ms^{-2}} \approx 145000\,g$, where $g$ is the acceleration due to gravity. The object we're launching is going to have to be very, very tough.

Notes

Things get better the larger you make the structure, because the acceleration goes down as it gets bigger. But I think there are practical limits to how big you can make the structure. In particular if the cable breaks just before launch then the objects you are about to launch will hit the structure at roughly escape velocity. For my $1\,\mathrm{kg}$ masses the energy you need to absorb is $1.4\times 10^8\,\mathrm{J}$, which is the equivalent of about $34\,\mathrm{kg}$ of TNT. And you probably want to launch substantially more than that mass.

Indeed, when you let go the mass you want to launch then you have to deal with the other mass anyway. If you want to launch a tonne, then you have to deal with something equivalent to exploding $17\times 10^3\,\mathrm{kg}$ of TNT. This is equivalent to a large conventional bomb (an earlier version of this answer compared it to the Trinity test because I got kilogrammes & tonnes confused when thinking about it: it's nowhere near that).

This is why I assume you can't build a really large structure: if you want to launch a significant mass then you need to deal with something equivalent to the explosion of a nuclear weapon happening inside the structure, anywhere. This has to be a really substantial structure, and building a really large one will be very, very expensive.

Note that this sort of thing is a problem for any kinetic-energy launch system: if you are going to launch a mass $m$ at velocity $v$ then it's going to have energy of $mv^2/2$ at the point of launch, and you need be ready to dissipate that energy if it is released really abruptly. Of course a rocket-based system also has to deal with dissipating all the energy stored in the fuel, but fuel explosions are a lot less abrupt than something hitting you, and they also have the advantage that the object causing the trouble is moving relatively slowly so you can reliably predict where the trouble will be.

Why I think the whole idea is silly in practice

Quite apart from the fact that doing anything serious with this involves containing explosions equivalent to nuclear weapons and building payloads which can withstand tens or hundreds of thousands of gravities of acceleration, there is a question of what happens to the object you have launched. In particular this object is travelling at escape velocity through dense atmosphere. I'm not competent to do the sums, but I imagine that this is just catastrophic: how much energy does it lose? How much faster do you have to launch is as a result, naking everyting even worse? How hot does it get, & what do you have to make it out of to ensure it can survive. What happens to anything near the launch site?

I think it's all just mad: this whole idea is a silly toy.

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    Something that extracts tens of millions of dollars from other people's pockets is an effective silly toy. Thanks for your analysis, this certainly does sound daunting! – uhoh Jan 23 '20 at 00:20
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    @uhoh: yes, it may be a very effective way of moving money from people to other people: it's just not an effective way of getting to space! –  Jan 23 '20 at 10:07
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    @uhoh: in fact I have just founded the tfb super-magnetic-em-drive-kinetic-energy launch company (it lives in a drawer of my desk) and we're about to get $10 million of seed funding. My purchase of a large property in central London is entirely unrelated. –  Jan 23 '20 at 12:17
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    It's worth noting that the payload in your example is accelerating at around 150000 gravities, probably more than any reasonable payload container capable of orbital rendezvous can handle, never mind the payload itself. This decreases inversely with radius, which...isn't enough. As I mentioned in a comment to another answer, even SpinLaunch's much lower launch velocity results in extreme accelerations, while requiring the projectile to do most of the work in getting to orbit via rocket propulsion. – Christopher James Huff Jan 25 '20 at 16:41
  • @ChristopherJamesHuff: thanks for pointing that out. I've added a section with the acceleration. As you say, it's insanely high. –  Jan 25 '20 at 18:48
  • Strengh of nanotubes is up to 63GPa, but a practical scale rope gets up to only 1 GPa ( link 1, link 2 ). The real strength is 10 times lower than calculated-> you need 3.16 times larger diameter. Practical CNT rope breaking length at 1g is ~100km. You need few order of magnitudes stronger rope to deal with calculated accelerations. – Sergiy Lenzion Jan 25 '20 at 21:35
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    @LeoS: I was intentionally assuming special magic cables which are ten times as good as anything we can currently make to avoid the 'oh, but advances in technology will fix all our problems' response. –  Jan 26 '20 at 12:19
  • I think your comparison to the trinity test is a bit out of scale. According to wikipedia trinity yielded 22 kilotons of TNT, which is 22000 tons of TNT which is 22*10^6 kg of TNT. So it seems as if that part of your answer is about 3 orders of magnitude off. –  Dec 01 '20 at 09:44
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    @laolux: yes you're right, I confused kg and tonnes when thinking about it. I'll fix that. Thank you for noticing! –  Dec 01 '20 at 09:58
  • Things traveling with escape velocity through the atmosphere are common and called meteorites. It's just that they fly the other way around. Their fate is not encouraging. – Peter - Reinstate Monica Dec 01 '20 at 15:04
  • You can perhaps spin an object not on a tether but by rolling it in an almost horizontal loop-shaped tube/cave. Launching it would amount to opening a hatch. The advantage is that the loop can have an almost arbitrary diameter, therefore reducing the load on the rolling surface and on the probe. I'm afraid that the material will still have to be unobtanium, but haven't done the math. Ideally one would have it magnetically levitated. Perhaps with the latest high-field superconductors?? – Peter - Reinstate Monica Dec 01 '20 at 15:08
  • @Peter-ReinstateMonica MIRVs and MARVs are going pretty fast, close to LEO speed, when they hit the atmosphere, and make it to the ground in one piece and are still functioning when they get there, so we are told. – Matthew Christopher Bartsh Apr 26 '21 at 16:48
  • @MatthewChristopherBartsh it's not a problem for them to shed most of their velocity in the process, and they don't have to accelerate themselves by ~8 km/s afterward. – Christopher James Huff Apr 27 '21 at 02:23
  • @ChristopherJamesHuff Wouldn't the MIRV burn up or at least get severely damaged by heat if it shed most of its velocity? – Matthew Christopher Bartsh Apr 27 '21 at 02:31
  • @MatthewChristopherBartsh they have quite substantial amounts of heat shielding to take the heating they receive in the lower atmosphere. Ablative on the sides and a big cone of reinforced carbon-carbon for the nose. They keep more of their velocity than a soft-landing capsule, but major losses are unavoidable when traveling at those speeds within the dense parts of the atmosphere. – Christopher James Huff Apr 27 '21 at 02:45
  • @ChristopherJamesHuff "Ballistic warheads and expendable vehicles do not require slowing at reentry, and in fact,(sic) are made streamlined so as to maintain their speed." says https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_entry – Matthew Christopher Bartsh Apr 27 '21 at 18:49
  • @MatthewChristopherBartsh that does not mean they don't decelerate, just that doing so is not their design goal. In fact they try to keep their velocity to improve accuracy and minimize time for countermeasures to interfere. However, there's still an atmosphere in front of them which has to be pushed through, and they still decelerate to a fraction of their initial velocity. – Christopher James Huff Apr 27 '21 at 23:14
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    https://engineering.purdue.edu/AAE450s/trajectories/Atmospheric%20Re-Entry.pdf has some representative plots. The high-beta "modern" vehicles with the highest impact velocity start at 6900 m/s (they're suborbital ICBMs entering at less-than-orbital velocity) and impact at around 2400 m/s. That's about 1/3 the original velocity and 1/9th the original kinetic energy. – Christopher James Huff Apr 27 '21 at 23:18
  • @ChristopherJamesHuff Where in your citation does it say that? – Matthew Christopher Bartsh Apr 28 '21 at 14:33
  • @ChristopherJamesHuff Which plots. There are a lot of plots in that big document. I searched for "2400" and "6900" and they are not in the document. – Matthew Christopher Bartsh Apr 28 '21 at 15:23
  • ...figure 1, plot a, page 3 of 20. Those numbers are not in the document: it doesn't use metric, and the relevant information is in the plots. – Christopher James Huff Apr 28 '21 at 15:32
  • "if you want to launch a significant mass then you need to deal with something equivalent to the explosion of a nuclear weapon happening inside the structure, anywhere" -- Building the structure underground might solve that issue, what's an extra 100m when getting to orbit? Although changing the launch angle then becomes the new problem. – user4574 May 12 '22 at 07:12
  • There seems to be a common misconception here that the projectile is going to be released at escape velocity. It's not. The spinlaunch is a replacement for a first stage. The payload fires its own rockets once at altitude to reach orbit. – Dan Hanson Nov 20 '22 at 21:58
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There is lots of information on spinning things fast. The main problem is that at high speeds, the centrifugal force exceeds the tensile strength of the material.

The Bloodhound SSC team ran into this limit when designing the wheels for their car. At 1600 km/h, the wheel rims (with a diameter of 900 mm) experience 50,000 G. SpinLaunch wants to go 5 times faster than that?

Smaller objects can go faster: you can get ultracentrifuges that operate at 1 MG.

There's also a balance problem. An ultracentrifuge has to be finely balanced, or it'll break up. When you launch an object from a spinning contraption, your contraption instantly becomes unbalanced and starts wobbling.

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    To avoid disbalance, two oblects of equal mass should be launched simultaneously in opposite direction. One up into the sky and the other one down into a deep hole into the ground. – Uwe Jan 29 '19 at 18:41
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    "a novel technology will use a large centrifuge to store energy and will then rapidly transfer that energy into a catapult to send a payload to space" No launch of an object from a spinning contraption but from a catapult driven by the spinning wheel. – Uwe Jan 29 '19 at 19:57
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    A catapult that will take the form of an arm that rotates on an axis. An arm that has to reach 5000 mph according to their claim. So, an object that rotates at 5000 mph. – Hobbes Jan 29 '19 at 20:03
  • But there may be linear catapults too, for instance aircraft catapults used on aircraft carriers. – Uwe Jan 29 '19 at 20:25
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    I think you are mixing up tangential velocity (mph) with angular velocity (rpm). If angular velocity is fixed, centrifugal force scales linearly with radius, thus smaller is better. For SpinLaunch, tangential velocity is fixed, and centrifugal force scales inversely with radius, so the much longer (I assume) catapult arm will not be under such high centrifugal force. – Lex Jan 31 '19 at 02:13
  • A larger radius does help things. However, taking the 4800 km/h number above and assuming a 1 km diameter launcher, they still have around 360 gravities to deal with, a 1 km diameter centrifuge or slingatron to build, and they need the projectile to outperform a Falcon 9 second stage in delta-v terms in order to actually reach orbit, while surviving that 360 gravity launch and hypersonic flight from sea level. – Christopher James Huff Jan 22 '20 at 23:51
  • @Hobbes A catapult is not remotely the same as a sling. A centrifuge gun is a sort of sling if the latter term is interpreted reasonably broadly. – Matthew Christopher Bartsh Apr 26 '21 at 16:57
  • @Lex "If angular velocity is fixed, centrifugal force scales linearly with radius, thus smaller is better". Easier but not better, because you have a lower speed if it smaller. – Matthew Christopher Bartsh Apr 26 '21 at 17:00
  • There are 2 types of catapults: the modern one with a Y-shaped frame which uses a rubber band to accelerate an object in a straight line, and medieval siege catapults, which generally had an arm that spins on an axis, with the object from the end of the arm. That the type of device we're talking about here. – Hobbes Apr 26 '21 at 17:13
  • @Hobbes You didn't ping me, hence the delay in my reply. "A catapult is a ballistic device used to launch a projectile a great distance without the aid of gunpowder or other propellants – particularly various types of ancient and medieval siege engines. A catapult uses the sudden release of stored potential energy to propel its payload." -Wikipedia. Agreed? – Matthew Christopher Bartsh Apr 27 '21 at 02:38
  • @MatthewChristopherBartsh I agree, and that's exactly what SpinLaunch is doing. https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a30716423/spinlaunch-centrifuge-rocket/ – Hobbes Apr 27 '21 at 09:42
  • @Hobbes There's no sudden release of stored potential energy to propel the payload. There's slow build-up of kinetic energy followed by release of the payload, along with its kinetic energy. So it's not a catapult but rather a sling/centrifuge gun type arrangement. – Matthew Christopher Bartsh Apr 27 '21 at 19:32
  • Looking back through the comments, you're arguing a tangential issue. The object is spun up in a circle, then released at some point. Whether that release is by suddenly braking the arm or not, and how many revolutions before release are not relevant to the answer. – Hobbes Apr 27 '21 at 19:48
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update: This just in, Big Think's November 17, 2022 Will physics prevent SpinLaunch from succeeding?

It seems they haven't come up with anything that isn't being at least explicitly and carefully addressed by SpinLaunch.


How might SpinLaunch actually spin something fast enough to launch it into orbit?

...Is there any engineering information out there on the feasibility of spinning something to orbital launch velocity while on the ground and then letting it go? I don't need the blueprints, but at least an informed discussion or educated speculation.

Yes there is!

The new Real Engineering video "Can We Throw Satellites to Space? - SpinLaunch" goes through the math, physics and current status of SpinLaunch in some detail, and presents at least a superficially convincing argument that the technology can kinetically launch an effectively second stage rocket in a trajectory reaching about 70 kilometers.

For the strength and dimension of the carbon fiber tether, some math is presented, and the video and its notes then refer to a pay site in brilliant.com for a detailed analysis. Based on the overall high quality of Real Engineering videos it's reasonable to assume there is some validity to the analysis that this is possible.

Topics like the fast-shutting double-door system allowing the projectile to leave while maintaining enough of a vacuum such that the rapidly rotating tether isn't destroyed and the high thermal conductivity copper + aluminum nosecone that acts as a heat sink to absorb the aerodynamic heating of traveling at mach 6 at sea level, as well as the release of the counterbalance mass simultaneously or soon after the release of the projectile are also discussed, as well as the challenges of making a low cost very large volume and surface area vacuum chamber that can be pumped down relatively quickly (for multiple launches per day).

Near the end of the video:

This is a really interesting challenge that I think the internet is giving a hard time for some bizarre reason, posing questions about basic physics calculations without actually doing the math, and then saying it's impossible, even missing the fact that kinetic energy launch systems have already reached beyond the Karman line six decades ago.

screenshot from the Real Engineering video "Can We Throw Satellites to Space? - SpinLaunch" https://youtu.be/yrc632oilWo

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  • There are a couple things in the video that I would be really interested in more thorough analysis of. Specifically: is the idea of launching 2 craft at a time (half a rotation apart) to deal with the balance issues actually feasible? – Oscar Smith Aug 08 '22 at 04:54
  • Also, at full speed, is the necessary timing of the release to not smash into the wall of the facility realistic? – Oscar Smith Aug 08 '22 at 04:56