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Excuse my ignorance but I've always been curious about this...

For example, a frog is red, but it starts living in a green forest. Over time the frog becomes green to camouflage. But a gene can't see and I'm sure there's no mechanism for color info to be transmitted to individual genes from the brain. So how does a gene know to pick green over, say, blue?

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    Colour adaptation does not involve changes in genes. Why you would assume this I really don't know but it makes nonsense of your question. If you want to know how colour adaptation works rephrase your question accordingly. But please never ask questions applying the word "know" to insentient objects. Take the trouble to express yourself in a scientific manner. – David Sep 19 '17 at 19:27
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    @David: you say the question is "nonsense", yet it has a number of upvotes, and very good answers, five of them at the moment of writing. I would also like to know what it means to "express yourself in a scientific manner"; and, is that a requisite to ask a question? – Martin Argerami Sep 20 '17 at 18:38
  • @David - just saying thanks for being ever vigilant and for your efforts in trying to keep the site's overall quality in check. Having said that, I also wish to share that your comments here are receiving flags [general tone, rude, offensive, yadiya, you know...]. – AliceD Sep 20 '17 at 19:19
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    @MartinArgerami - the high number of upvotes, as well as the high number of answers is more related to the fact that the question made it into the hot questions list than because of its quality. In fact, the question has been downvoted 4 times too. The fact that some folks (like Remi) know very well how to generate excellent answers, doesn't take away the fact that the question itself testifies of a certain lack of scientificness. – AliceD Sep 20 '17 at 19:23
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    @MartinArgerami — Please read what I wrote, which was that talking about "genes knowing" makes nonsense of the question. As genes are not sentient beings, this phrase is nonsense, and if you have a question (which may have some merit) including nonsensical expressions invalidates or "makes nonsense of" it. This is avoided if the idea that the poster wishes to express is framed in a scientific manner. I am not clear what the poster means, but an example of scientific expression might be "Is there a way in which electrical signals from the brain can cause genes to mutate in a particular way?". – David Sep 20 '17 at 20:50
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    As it is written, the question asks about change in colour over the course of an individuals life, but the highest voted answer discusses change in colour of a population due to evolution. The question should be closed as unclear until the asker clarifies it. – canadianer Sep 20 '17 at 20:57
  • @canadianer - I totally agree, but vow against mod-closure :) The top answer now basically states - your question is based on the incorrect assumption that a gene has a brain – AliceD Sep 20 '17 at 21:38
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    The pedantry here is absurd. OP obviously knows "know" isn't the correct word, that's why they put it in quotes. Not knowing how to refer to it or how mutation works is why they're here. "You're ignorant and write nonsense" is not an appropriate response to someone trying to learn. And a Q&A site is probably not the best place for those users who are interested in neither questions nor answers. – Matthew Read Sep 21 '17 at 19:24
  • Is punctuated equilibrium relevant here? I'm surprised nobody mentioned it... but I'm not a biologist either, so... – user541686 Sep 21 '17 at 21:20
  • I asked the original question (system doesn't let me post in the comment section.) I can't believe how quickly this devolved into an argument about the semantics of the question. If you are versed in science and esp. biology isn't obvious that gene's know know anything? Even I know that, and I'm not a scientist. I very clearly stated that i am ignorant on the subject, hence the question. If we knew how to ask all the right questions in the right way then we'd be much more advanced as a species. Anyway, I appreciate everyone who put semantics aside and answered the question. Thank you, it is mu – BjornTuroque Sep 25 '17 at 19:12

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Using your example, the gene doesn't know anything. Mutations cause some of the offspring of the red frog to turn green, some to turn blue, some to turn fluorescent yellow, and some stay red. Birds can't see the green ones as well as the others, so more green frogs survive and make more green frogs. The red frogs, the fluorescent yellow ones, the blue ones, mostly get eaten. After a few generations, almost all the frogs are green -- not because the gene knew anything, not because the mutations went in any direction, but because all the other changes were counterproductive and got eaten.

The gene doesn't know anything. It's just a bunch of chemicals that randomly react with cosmic rays, chance, whatever. Most of the changes are irrelevant or actively bad, and the frog that's carrying those particular chemicals doesn't survive. But sometimes the change benefits the frog carrying the particular chemicals and then the frog sends those chemicals down to its progeny.

Obviously this is hugely over-simplified. A short and simple intro to the basics of evolution is Understanding Evolution, by UC Berkeley.

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    This is a good answer but I just want to add that this process is called "natural selection", and is fueled by "selection pressures". – ESR Sep 20 '17 at 06:15
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    Also in reality that one frog's offspring will be just a tiny bit more green, just a tiny bit more blue, or just a tiny bit more fluorescent yellow. (Though some might have a mutation that makes their colouring not work at all, so they become albino). It takes a lot of generations before you could actually see a green or blue or yellow frog. (If its kinda-green or kinda-blue or kinda-yellow ancestors didn't get killed by predators first) – user253751 Sep 20 '17 at 07:43
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    @immibis: Not necessarily. The green gene could be recessive and initially rare. It wouldn't even require mutations, it simply would be a matter of the dominant red genes disappearing due to predation. – MSalters Sep 20 '17 at 08:38
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    Unless female frogs prefer to mate with red frogs, then green frogs are out of luck, and frogs will more likely become extinct than "evolve" to become green. – Peter Sep 20 '17 at 09:31
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    @Peter: ...although those female frogs that don't prefer red mates so much will have greener offspring on average, and so more of their female offspring will survive to mate again. So the female preferences will tend to change over time, too, unless of course the frogs go extinct first. (But near-extinction events do tend to accelerate selection, since the last few frogs to survive are likely to be the greenest ones.) A bigger potential issue is that if there's a steady supply of red frogs migrating in from another habitat, that'll make it hard for a green subpopulation to get established. – Ilmari Karonen Sep 20 '17 at 15:48
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    Honestly, I'm not really sure this answers the question. When was the last time anyone saw, say, a green deer? If colors change randomly and it's just a matter of survival, then surely someone should spot randomly colored animals occasionally. The closest I've ever seen is white giraffes, which simply lack pigments. So it's easy not to believe natural selection as a layman. I think if you want this answer to be convincing, you should give some numbers as to how often you'd expect to see weird mutations if you are to be likely to observe a change that can be selected for over a span of N years. – user541686 Sep 21 '17 at 01:33
  • Second @Mehrdad, plus: what about chameleons? – Elise van Looij Sep 21 '17 at 09:47
  • But fluorescent frogs don't get eaten because the birds assume they are poisonous... – ratchet freak Sep 21 '17 at 12:47
  • This is the theory of evolution through randomness. It doesn't explain changes that require 2-3 major simultaneous changes for the survival of the mutated animals. Then one starts to think whether evolution really happens on a random basis. – akostadinov Sep 21 '17 at 20:46
  • @akostadinov if you genuinely don't understand this simple concept, ask another question and someone will explain it to you. The comments are not the right place to ask new questions (or to make old and long-debunked claims) – iayork Sep 21 '17 at 22:00
  • @iayork, I don't see a question in my comment. I was trying to point out a weak spot in your answer. Or maybe whatever in your answer is the thing much harder to explain. – akostadinov Sep 22 '17 at 12:01
  • @akostadinov (or to make old and long-debunked claims) - I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you might be genuinely ignorant, but since you first parroted the long-debunked creationist talking point and then responded with classic creationist obfuscation, I'll just point out (in case newcomers are fooled) that this "weak spot" is nothing of the kind and is a well understood concept, even though creationists constantly try to lie about it. – iayork Sep 22 '17 at 12:42
  • @iayork, as long as you don't provide evidence, your position is just an opinion or a belief. While some naive forms of "creationism" have been proven wrong, this didn't prove the "random" evolution theory in any way. The "random" theory in my opinion is equally naive as some "creationism" theories and has never been proved scientifically. I'm not going to write anything more. Anybody that can think and read can go on investigate and think for him/her-self. – akostadinov Sep 23 '17 at 12:56
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Each offspring's color is a bit different from its parents. Some colors help the frog survive, other colors tend to get it killed before it reproduces. Over time, the species tends toward a color that improves survival because those that fit their environment better will reproduce and those that fit their environment worse don't reproduce at quite the same rate.

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  • How does this answer a question that is clearly concerned with molecular mechanisms, even though it makes wrongheaded assumptions? All you are saying is "it happens". – David Sep 19 '17 at 19:30
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    @David I don't think the question is concerned with molecular mechanisms, I think the questioner is just confused about how evolution works, in particular the genetic variation/mutations side of things. – Bryan Krause Sep 19 '17 at 19:56
  • @BryanKrause — Who knows? But the answer is terrible whatever the question. The question is clearly unclear and should be closed unless someone edits it. Don't you think? – David Sep 19 '17 at 20:12
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    I think this answer is just fine. It isn't perfect, and I think @iayork's answer is more precise in wording, but this one benefits from being short and to the point and accessible to someone truly new to evolution, like the OP appears to be. It's much better than your comment "Colour adaptation does not involve changes in genes" which is clearly wrong, of course adaptation involves changes in genes, just not in the manner the OP was thinking. – Bryan Krause Sep 19 '17 at 20:23
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    And although the original question shows a poor understanding, I'm not convinced it's actually a terrible question. I think there is almost certainly a duplicate someplace to close it with, but the OP's thinking and logic are clearly displayed, and they aren't asking for an answer that would be too broad or in-depth for this site. – Bryan Krause Sep 19 '17 at 20:26
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Of course, as you know, a gene does not have any conscious, a gene does not know anything. It is all just a bunch of chemical reactions.

Central dilemma

First, you have to understand that a gene is a piece of DNA that will be transcribed in mRNA and the mRNA will be translated into a protein (this is a bit of an oversimplification). The protein is the molecule that is causing an action. The concentration of proteins in the cell is key in causing a phenotypic effect.

Regulatory mechanisms

The concentration of proteins can be affected by many regulatory mechanisms.

Gene expression regulation

Regulation of gene expression includes a wide range of mechanisms that are used by cells to increase or decrease the production of specific gene products (protein or RNA), and is informally termed gene regulation. Sophisticated programs of gene expression are widely observed in biology, for example to trigger developmental pathways, respond to environmental stimuli, or adapt to new food sources. Virtually any step of gene expression can be modulated, from transcriptional initiation, to RNA processing, and to the post-translational modification of a protein. Often, one gene regulator controls another, and so on, in a gene regulatory network.

Post-transcriptional regulation

Post-transcriptional regulation is the control of gene expression at the RNA level, therefore between the transcription and the translation of the gene.1 It contributes substantially to gene expression regulation across human tissues.

These include mechanisms such as

  • capping
  • splicing
  • Addition of poly(A) tail
  • RNA editing
  • mRNA Stability

Post-translational regulation

Post-translational regulation refers to the control of the levels of active protein.[..] It is performed either by means of reversible events (posttranslational modifications, such as phosphorylation or sequestration) or by means of irreversible events (proteolysis).

Skin colour changes in frogs

One such regulatory mechanism must be involved.

I really don't know much about physiology and molecular biology but I could find a large number of papers (including Taylor and Hadley 1969 and Fernandez and Bagnara 1991) showing that the colour change is mediated via production of the Melanophore Stimulating Hormone (MSH) produced by the hypophysis. Maybe a better physiologist / molecular biologist could give you a better answer.

If you are interested in the particular case of color change, you might also want to have a look at Neri and Castrucci 1997 and Skold et al. 2012.

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    Still doesn't explain why the mRNA transcribes one piece of DNA rather than another. – Elise van Looij Sep 21 '17 at 09:50
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  • The mRNA is the result of transcription but it does not transcribe. 2) yes, it does (see gene expression regulation). There would be a lot to say about gene expression regulation, so for more information just have a look at the wikipedia page or at an intro course such as those by Khan Academy for example
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