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I'm going to look for a new job soon and one of the reasons among others is the demand for overwork time that's very common in Japan.

Looking for a new job should I mention that I won't do overtime work or just do the interview normally and then refuse it if it comes up since it's not in the contract (I know I cannot be pressured of fired for this)?

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    This answer may be helpful: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/30640/are-workers-in-japan-expected-to-work-overtime-daily?rq=1 – Jane S Sep 08 '16 at 09:03
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    "I know I cannot be pressured of fired for this". Eh, what? You realise that even if this is true, which I strongly doubt, you'll want to develop a work ethic that's a bit better than "make sure they can't fire me". And to be honest, even if you find a way to word this without torpedoing your chances of getting hired for even voicing the requirement, what makes you think you'll find a job in Japan that's okay with that? – Lilienthal Sep 08 '16 at 09:28
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    Anyway, this is basically covered by How should I ask about work/life balance during an Interview? and For future employers, how/when should I bring up not wanting to work unpaid overtime? – Lilienthal Sep 08 '16 at 09:30
  • @Lilienthal: The second question is different in that it asks about "unpaid overtime", while this is about overtime in general, and the first one is more general. They are closely related though. – sleske Sep 08 '16 at 10:03
  • So you're looking for a job where nothing ever goes wrong or needs priority attention. You may find that but understand that jobs that are so unimportant are usually also low paying. – cdkMoose Sep 08 '16 at 17:54
  • @cdkMoose: I don't think that's true. There are many jobs where the work is important, but not time-critical - for example, financial planning, in-house development, counseling... – sleske Sep 29 '16 at 07:04
  • @sleske, things sometimes go wrong and in a bad way. If your job is important your "customer" isn't going to want to hear "It's 5:00, I'm going home". If you are my financial planner and the market tanks, you had better take my call. If you offer counseling and your patient has a crisis in the middle of the night, you'd better answer the phone. I manage an internal development team, and you should know that when something goes wrong with the software we built, "It's 5:00 , see you tomorrow" is not an acceptable answer. – cdkMoose Sep 29 '16 at 13:32
  • @cdkMoose: That really depends on the job. I know people who work in these professions, and who do not work outside regular working hours. For example, a freelance financial planner that helps you with retirement planning will usually not be on-call in case of stock market crashes, because they do not handle short-term investments. And most counselors also do not offer crisis help, because there are specific hotlines for crisis intervention. As I said, it depends on the nature of the job. – sleske Sep 29 '16 at 13:38

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This is going to be dependent on culture (both company culture and general workplace culture), but usually if something is important for you, you should absolutely mention it in the interview. After all, if the company cannot/does not want to respect your wishes, you are unlikely to be happy in your job.

However, you might want to consider what exactly your needs are, and how to best communicate them. Some points to consider:

  • Are you really absolutely, 100% unwilling to do even a minute of overtime? That might seem unreasonable. Think about where your limit is: Only in emergencies? Not more than three times a month? An hour once a week?
  • Communicate your boundaries clearly but respectfully. Don't say "I never work overtime" - rather "I am most productive with a regular work day."
  • Instead of flat out stating your requirements, consider asking first: "What is work like here? When do people typically come in and leave?" Then you'll get an impression first.

Ideally you want to find a company that shares your views on overtime. Or at least a company that respects your wishes, or limits overtime as far as possible. Such companies probably exist (excessive overtime is unproductive anyway), but you may have to do some searching.

sleske
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  • I really liked the post, and I would like to know how to deal with the fact that they may lie to your thirs point. If they state the "legal" hours, but they are simply not done anywhere in the company, how do you even prevent that kind of thing? Is it possible, or am I being too paranoid – keont Apr 23 '17 at 12:02
  • @keont: No, I don't think you are being too paranoid. That's a good question - consider asking it as a question :-). – sleske Apr 23 '17 at 20:50
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Looking for a new job should I mention that I won't do overtime work

While interviewing, you should ask questions to learn about the company culture and to determine if the job and company fit your needs.

If you have decided that you are not willing to work any overtime, then you must ask enough questions to learn if overtime will be expected, since that would mean you don't want this job.

Instead of simply stating "I won't do overtime", you might want to ask "Tell me about the work hours here." And if necessary, push a bit and say "How often are people expected to work overtime?"

From the company viewpoint, interviews are designed to see if you fit the job/role/company. Similarly, from your viewpoint, you need to see if what they are offering fits your needs.

or just do the interview normally and then refuse it if it comes up since it's not in the contract (I know I cannot be pressured of fired for this)?

Waiting until you start work, then springing such a surprise on your employer is probably not a good idea.

While they may not be able to fire you or pressure you, I'm sure you understand that it can be an unpleasant situation all around. Within the bounds of the law and your contract, you might be denied raises, made to work shifts that you would not prefer, and given less than desirable projects. Workers who don't go along with the company culture can tend to become very unhappy.

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You have a better chance of getting a job if you don't mention it. Most employers anywhere expect people to at least have the ability to do some overtime if necessary.

I know I cannot be pressured of fired for this

That's great, and I'll take your word for that. However there is ALWAYS a way to get rid of a recalcitrant employee, an employer doesn't have to fire them for the 'actual' reason they want to get rid of them, they just need to satisfy local requirements (if any).

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