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I had this manager that frequently brought up how team members performed compared to each other during one-on-ones or performance reviews. E.g. "A could do this task in half an hour you took three hours on" or "I can not give you a better performance review because B delivered much more than you did and I am giving them an average review already."

Now the tone on the examples aside how acceptable is it to bring up other team members while discussing performance?

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It's not.

If I'm evaluating your performance then Bob and Alice have no bearing on the review. Now truthfully I'm human and I may think of comparisons to each other (and to other people I've worked with over the years) but I need to deliver my evaluation about you in as unbiased a form as I can.

It's the same principle that applies when I reprimand you and you bring up Bob and Alice.

Bob and Alice aren't there. It's just the two of us.

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    Could you elaborate why you consider a work environment a place for a neutral, individual evaluation rather than one that tries to optimize its productivity by having everyone deliver the best they can (including replacing them, if someone else can even deliver better results)? (I like your statements, I can just see them invite the usual "We're a business, not a charity (or, in this case, free self-improvement service)." response and wonder why that wouldn't apply.) – O. R. Mapper Jan 14 '19 at 08:19
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    @O.R.Mapper Comparison between things usually requires something measurable. Getting something measurable means metrics. Having metrics mean you will end up with employees good at generating metrics, and not thinking about their work. If you then FIRE employees with low metrics, then the goal of the employees will be to make sure someone else gets lower score than them. That's much easier than actually do consistently excellent work all the time. This is called STACK RANKING. It's very bad. Read up on Microsoft and Steve Balmer. – Nelson Jan 14 '19 at 09:00
  • @Nelson: I do not doubt it creates a toxic environment (as also pointed out in solarflare's answer) and all kinds of undesired side-effects. I just wonder whether exactly that (the risk of damaging productivity by internal conflicts) wouldn't be the reasoning against explicitly comparing employees' performance, rather than a desire to give everyone a chance irrespective of how well they perform in a global comparison. – O. R. Mapper Jan 14 '19 at 09:09
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    Performance metrics in my experience are also not an effective way of comparing employees with each other, rather they are a measure of where they are compared to where they should be. –  Jan 14 '19 at 13:18
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    I think openly comparing performance could be tactless and hurt morale, but I don't see how your statement is at all true. Performance is relative, Bob and Alice are reference points to establish what an employee can be expected to accomplish. How they perform is absolutely salient to a performance review. – John K Jan 14 '19 at 18:38
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    @JohnK I disagree. If I tell you Alice does better than you at X. You are far less likely to take that constructively than if I say You need to improve at X. Here's how. It's almost always better to be direct concrete and narrow scope as possible. – Summer Jan 14 '19 at 18:52
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    @JohnK What's relevant is if I can say "You can improve your performance on this. There's this best-practise system which Alice is following. I'm going to give you a task for next quarter to have Alice mentor you on that system, and for you to adopt it on your project." – Graham Jan 15 '19 at 08:51
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    @ORMapper That's the fallacy that employees arrive fully formed and don't ever need to learn anything. Everyone should be constantly learning at work,, because the workplace never stands still. Products change, manufacturing methods change, management methods change, markets change - and if you can't change with them then you're screwed. So employees must get opportunities to learn how to do their jobs with the latest best practise, or to learn skills they've not seen before. Hiring new employees is always expensive and risky, so it's much better to retrain the ones you have, if you can. – Graham Jan 15 '19 at 08:58
  • @ORMapper By the way too, one other thing that changes is laws. There have been class action lawsuits against companies doing stack ranking. A manager who doesn't know about that will himself need retraining! – Graham Jan 15 '19 at 08:59
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    @bruglesco It also assumes that each employee is an island. Teams I've worked on have often either been made up of a variety highly specialised functions (so you are really comparing apples to oranges and is why performance metrics are IME a terrible way of comparing staff with one another), or comprise a team which support each other accomplishing each others tasks. I've found that the "highest performers" can be the ones who take all of the credit for work that other people were heavily involved in and the "lowest performers" were those not assertive enough to tell these people "no". –  Jan 15 '19 at 11:08
  • @Graham: I think your (reasonable) answers must have been directed at someone else, as I didn't write anything against expanding one's skills. – O. R. Mapper Feb 01 '19 at 09:55
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    @O.R.Mapper You asked for arguments against the "We're a business, not a charity (or, in this case, free self-improvement service)" response. Apologies if I wasn't clear about that. Of course if a company explicitly says "Nope, we'd rather hire from outside than train the people we already have", that tells you plenty. :) But even then, if a manager uses stack ranking, it's worth letting the manager's manager know that you're aware of the scope for class action lawsuits. No point going to the manager first - they clearly don't know enough to fix themselves. – Graham Feb 01 '19 at 11:08
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This is a MAJOR red flag and an indication of toxic management.

I would seriously consider either completely ignoring the fact that this manager is trying to divide and conquer or find another job.

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    Don't attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence. Most managers think along the same lines, they're just not stupid/tactless enough to say it to the report's face! – lambshaanxy Jan 14 '19 at 05:14
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    Thinking is fine, its obviously part of their job to measure performance. But when you use this information in that manner it will have no positive outcome. – solarflare Jan 14 '19 at 05:47
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    Thank you for adding the mandatory "find another job" answer. – Chris Jan 14 '19 at 08:39
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    @jpatokal I don't think it really matters if the manager is malicious or stupid since the result is the same in either case. – VLAZ Jan 14 '19 at 09:30
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    @vlaz As an aside, it may matter if you want to try to change the behaviour. A manager doing this maliciously will probably not be convinced to stop doing it; a manager who doesn't realise the harm they're doing can probably be "corrected" with a single, quiet conversation. – Lightness Races in Orbit Jan 14 '19 at 13:07
  • @LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, I suppose you are right. That may not be an option always but definitely an option. A malicious manager simply wouldn't budge while an incompetent one could if the circumstances are correct. Being too incompetent might mean he wouldn't change. Even if being mildly incompetent it might be hard to change their behavior without some support from "above". Although with that said, it might be easier to correct this in a small team after a talk from "below". So...I do agree it matters but circumstances may apply. – VLAZ Jan 14 '19 at 14:16
  • @vlaz Seems we're well-aligned today! :) – Lightness Races in Orbit Jan 14 '19 at 14:39
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    Toxicity does not require intent – Dancrumb Jan 14 '19 at 21:58
  • You should really pick up the pace, you just spent 3 hours doing X. - But it's a hard task and it takes a lot of time. - Are you kidding me? Alice accomplished the same in 30 minutes yesterday. MAJOR RED FLAG!!! Really?
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    @Džuris yes. To follow through your scenario: Now I am annoyed that my manager said that to me, I am resenting Alice that she made me look bad and if Alice makes a mistake I'll make a mental note of it. Next time the manager pulls me up, bam! I say "Alice did that in 30 minutes because she didnt follow X procedure". Alice is of course told about this by our manager and now she is watching me. The manager is happy that everyone is watching each other, short term productivity has increased (long term is a different story). You get my point about how this could lead to a toxic workplace. – solarflare Jan 15 '19 at 21:41