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I'm currently leaving a company but they want me to sign a non-compete before leaving.

I don't have any formal contract with the company nor anywhere did I sign that I would commit myself to it.

Is there any benefit for me in doing so? Why would I want to do this?

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    Are they offering you something to sign the non-compete? – user1666620 Nov 04 '18 at 14:26
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    No, they are not offering anything in return – Alima Secdi Nov 04 '18 at 14:30
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    If they don't offer anything in return, there's no point in signing it, is there? – Mast Nov 04 '18 at 17:58
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    Which country are you in? in many countries a contract does not have to be written down eg the UK - your still bound by what you may have agreed verbally and also by custom and practice and any statutory terms.. – Neuromancer Nov 04 '18 at 18:38
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    @Neuromancer UK contract law requires consideration. Also UK law requires that the company give reasonable alternative for maintaining his living standards (ie pay his salary in full). – Aron Nov 04 '18 at 18:40
  • @Aron er not sure your correct noncompete's are as hard to enforce in the UK as in California. There is no statutory rate as you imply- you are correct you cannot be stopped from earning a living in your trade.

    Noncompeats are only realy ever used for senior or very highly paid jobs

    – Neuromancer Nov 04 '18 at 18:45
  • @Aron what you say about UK law is not always correct - for example, the non-disclosure aspects of the Official Secrets Act (affecting low level security of government and military information) remain in force until death, and there is no compensation after your employment ends. Indeed, when you leave you may well be required to acknowledge receipt of a document reminding you of those facts, which you had already agreed to. – alephzero Nov 04 '18 at 18:46
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    @alephzero non disclosure is not comparable – DonQuiKong Nov 04 '18 at 19:11
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    Wait, when you say you "don't have a formal contract" do you mean you never had a written contract while you were working there? If that's the case, why start now? – Steve-O Nov 04 '18 at 21:49
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    What will you receive in return? – it's a hire car baby Nov 04 '18 at 22:43
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    @alephzero NDAs are very different from noncompetes; one just makes you keep secrets secret, while the other restricts you from getting a job in your industry. Also, the Official Secrets Act is an Act of Parliament; even if British law had rules limiting NDAs, Parliament is free to override them. (For that matter, they’re free to make it apply whether or not you agree to it.) – cpast Nov 04 '18 at 23:32
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    @Alephzero as I said before "contract law". The Official Secrets Act is not under contract law. Breach of it comes under criminal law, specifically, I believe High Treason, a crime until recently was punishable by death. I did not use the word "compensation" either, I said that the OP was entitled to bring allowed to make a living or a reasonable alternative (can't expect him to starve for no reason). Further, commercial NDAs are typically signed before a contract starts, the consideration being that their potential job is predicated upon the NDA bring signed. – Aron Nov 05 '18 at 01:50
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    You do not state what part of the world you are employed in. In general DON'T sign anything for which you are not duly compensated (especially considering non-competes and NDA's can LIMIT your ability to find gainful employment elsewhere. In certain situations non-compete can be enforced even if you did not sign anything, this is more complex but basically boils down to trade secrets and patents revealed or used in a manner which have a direct causal harm to your previous employer. – Ken Nov 05 '18 at 03:04
  • Related, semi-duplicate: https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/94232/employer-wants-me-to-write-down-i-accept-the-termination-on-my-termination-pap – mxyzplk Nov 05 '18 at 03:34
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    Are they gonna fire you again? A contract is normally a business exchange. You're missing the part where they give you something. – Nelson Nov 05 '18 at 04:07
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    Is this a troll? – copper.hat Nov 06 '18 at 11:04

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No. You gain nothing by signing and potentially limit your employment options by agreeing to the non-compete. By rights, if they were acting legitimately they would have had you sign one as part of your initial employment conditions before you even started the job. This is retrospective CYA nonsense and you should treat it as such.

If they really want you to sign, ask for a bonus in return for potentially limiting your employability. Otherwise just walk away

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    Drop the last paragraph. They don't want you to sign sufficiently much to pay you what it's worth, which is at least your full prior salary times the length of effect of the non-compete. – R.. GitHub STOP HELPING ICE Nov 04 '18 at 18:29
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    @R.. - I don't understand why you said "drop the last paragraph", when what you're suggesting is exactly what that paragraph says -- if they want you to sign, then ask them to pay you fair market value for what you're signing. Depending on how restrictive the agreement is, full salary may be more than the actual value of what they are asking for. – Johnny Nov 04 '18 at 21:22
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    For anyone else wondering: CYA = cover your ass (?) – problemofficer - n.f. Monica Nov 04 '18 at 22:35
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    @Johnny: Further detail could make the last paragraph better rather than dropping it, but just saying "ask for a bonus" does nothing to draw attention to how astronomically huge the bonus needs to be in order for it to be deterministically better for OP rather than a gamble. – R.. GitHub STOP HELPING ICE Nov 04 '18 at 23:09
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    @R.. It depends how broad a non-compete they want. If they just want you not to work for their direct competitors, they have few competitors, you didn't want to do that anyway, and it's just for a year, even just two month's salary might make it a good deal. They may just want you not to work on a particular product area (enterprise storage systems, self-driving cars, whatever) and that might not even be one you're interested in working on anymore. We don't know. The point is, the OP has to get fair value. – David Schwartz Nov 05 '18 at 01:36
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    @DavidSchwartz: It might not be something you're interested in working on yourself, but might turn out to be something your new employer suddenly asks you to do a month after hiring you. Non-competes are just bad news. Accepting one for a few months' pay is a foolish gamble. – R.. GitHub STOP HELPING ICE Nov 05 '18 at 02:15
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    I agree with @R.. here. The non-compete can basically make you unemployable, so they should be paying your full salary until it ends. It normally is for active employees to prevent working for a competitor. Signing a non-compete when you're leaving makes no sense. – Nelson Nov 05 '18 at 04:09
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    Signing a non-compete when you leave makes perfect sense (of course as long as it is reasonably compensated). The knowledge gained while working for a particular company can give a huge boost to a competition so the former employer will be looking for ways to address the risk of such transfer of knowledge to competition. But it should come with a reasonable remuneration. Assuming your position allows you to wok on some non-competing company it might be a partial salary as suggested in other comments. E.g. a person from marketing department can advertise toothpaste and dog food alike. – Ister Nov 05 '18 at 13:00
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    Parodoxically, it might be better to sign the non-compete for nothing than to sign it for too little. Clearly nothing is "no consideration" and thus unenforceable. But if OP signs it for a day's wages, then that is consideration and enforceable. – emory Nov 05 '18 at 16:18
  • @Johnny - I think the point of "drop the last paragraph" was the idea that, no, they don't *really* want OP to sign it (meaning, they won't be willing to pay for it), so the rest is kind of a not-relevant hypothetical. It was more for emphasis than actually suggesting an edit to delete that paragraph. – PoloHoleSet Nov 05 '18 at 16:34
  • @R.. In your entire history, have you ever once heard of someone being paid their full salary for the duration of the non-compete? It seems odd, as opposed to, say, just giving the person unlimited vacation for X years. That has the same effect on the employer except it also gives the employer freedom to terminate the contract early, when a non-compete wouldn't. – Cort Ammon Nov 05 '18 at 17:00
  • @CortAmmon: No. That's why my initial comment was: They don't want you to sign sufficiently much to pay you what it's worth. and my basic advice of "don't bother with entertaining the idea" stands. – R.. GitHub STOP HELPING ICE Nov 05 '18 at 17:04
  • @R.. Ahh. I see what you intended to say. By putting a price tag on it it implied that you had some sense of what it is worth, which is a different message than "it is never worth it." Rather confusing to read. – Cort Ammon Nov 05 '18 at 17:10
  • What bonus? Unless they are not talking at least 2 or 3 times your net salary for the time of the non-compete after taxes, you do not sign anything. – Rui F Ribeiro Nov 05 '18 at 17:11
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    @R.. why should he drop the last paragraph? Company might want to pay that much (even if they would prefer not to), or they might even be obliged by law to pay the employee regardless of their wishes - as is case in my country (Croatia) - if company requests the employee to non-compete for some time, they must continue to pay him/her at least half the average wages (s)he had (or optionally more if specified in contract) – Matija Nalis Nov 05 '18 at 22:04
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    @emory in some juridictions, that's not the case. In France, "ridiculously low compensation" for a non-compete clause (less than 1/4-1/2 of the average salary, for the duration of the non-compete clause) makes it invalid, unenforceable, and gives the ex-employee rights to damages. – jcaron Nov 06 '18 at 11:02
  • @jcaron interesting IANAL and I would highly recommend consulting a lawyer, but if offered 1/2 of salary then it would be to your advantage to sign, collect the money, and then sue for damages? – emory Nov 06 '18 at 16:25
  • @emory, in the short term, it would be to your advantage. But word travels fast of the ungrateful jerk who signed a NC where they were compensated, then sued the company because "it wasn't enough". If that spread you would be unhireable. – kleineg Nov 07 '18 at 04:21
  • @R.. If I start to work somewhere on some project and my boss suddenly tells me I'll be working something completely different he better have a good new job offer ready for me, because no way am I working that much outside my contract's specifications. If that new contract clashes with the no-compete I can just tell him and refuse the offer. – Kevin Nov 08 '18 at 09:04
  • @kleineg I anticipate that I will never be in that situation. However, if I had to hire a lawyer to evaluate a proposed non compete agreement and the lawyer said it was unenforceable b/c of inadequate consideration and I trusted the lawyer's judgement, then why not take the money? In general, if I have to hire a lawyer to read an employment related agreement, then I don't want that job. – emory Nov 10 '18 at 03:13
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The non-compete agreement you're being asked to sign is a contract. In many countries, forming an enforceable contract requires all five of the following:

  • A lawful purpose, in which the things the contract requires of the parties don't break any laws. This would include any restrictions on whether or not the kind of contract you're being asked to sign is valid where it was executed.
  • An offer, where one party makes a proposal to the other.
  • Consideration, where each party gives the other something in exchange for that they're getting.
  • Capacity, where both parties have ability to understand what's in the contract and are legally allowed to be party to it.
  • Acceptance, where both parties decide that the consideration they're getting for what they're giving is equitable and agree to what's in the contract, often by signing it.

The contract your company proposes has lots of consideration for them (they get the benefits of not having a former employee at a competitor) and none for you. Because they are offering you nothing in return for staying out of their industry, you have no incentive to accept what they propose. The time to have done that would have been when they were offering you a job in the first place.

The easiest route would be to reject their offer outright. You've resigned, so all they can really do at work is terminate your employment early. The worst they could do after you leave is file a malicious suit for misappropriating their trade secrets. Even if they don't win, you still lose because defending yourself will cost money and time, but they still run the risk of an expensive countersuit.

Negotiating fair consideration would require that you figure out what you would lose by abiding by their terms. If signing would force you to take a position in another field that doesn't pay as well, you should demand the difference or, if you can't work at all because of it, the full value of your salary and benefits. If the company was dumb enough to try this as you were leaving, I'd penalize them at least 25% additional to make sure they really want you out of circulation, but that's just how I do business. Whatever goes into the agreement, the consideration has to last the full duration of the time you're out of circulation and should either be paid up front or, if they stop paying you, the contract becomes void. (All of this takes time and money to arrange and is why it's easier to simply decline their offer.)

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    This is a good answer. It could be improved by mentioning that various jurisdictions have restrictions on what is enforceable in a non-compete contract and that it would be beneficial for the OP to do a bit of research to determine what is enforceable in their jurisdiction. That assumes that the OP desires to enter into negotiation, rather than just outright rejecting a non-compete contract at all. The OP should note that they loose very little by beginning such a negotiation. While it's unlikely, it's possible the OP could get more than they expect. – Makyen Nov 05 '18 at 01:30
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    I would add to @Makyen's comment that up to my knowledge all NCAs must have a limited time span and cannot/should-not be lifetime, i.e. banning the OP entirely from working in that sector for his entire mortal life. My jurisdiction is Europe, OP's is not specified – usr-local-ΕΨΗΕΛΩΝ Nov 05 '18 at 08:19
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    The lawyer in me likes this answer, but I would caveat it by saying the exception is where signing wouldn't cost you anything and there's a chance you might want to return to the company in the future. In that case, doing something that doesn't harm you (and is probably not legally enforceable in any case) but buys you some goodwill with the company might not be such a bad idea. If you have no immediate plans to return though, then don't impose this limit on yourself, even if you don't think it will affect you (nobody knows the future). – delinear Nov 05 '18 at 16:20
  • +1 for the elements of a contract, but can you provide a source for that? – Aaron Hall Nov 05 '18 at 16:22
  • @AaronHall Pretty much any book or article on contract law will cover those points. Here's one from Australia. – Blrfl Nov 06 '18 at 10:21
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    I know you say "in many countries", but those are not the universal elements of a contract. For example "consideration" is not a requirement for a contract in Scotland, and I have a suspicion that it probably isn't in Civil Law countries. – Martin Bonner supports Monica Nov 06 '18 at 12:33
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    @MartinBonner Which is why I said "many" and not "all." An exhaustive discussion of the ins and outs of contract law in every country would be off-topic here. – Blrfl Nov 06 '18 at 12:45
  • @MartinBonner I'm not sure about Scotland, but lots of places you can very happily produce and sign contracts that are not enforceable. If the language of the contract is deficient or overreaching it is very possible that such contracts would not be upheld by the courts. So, yes, technically in Civil law countries you can call anything you want a "contract" and sign it - the real question is whether or not that contract will hold any weight in a court of law. Not all do. – J... Nov 06 '18 at 16:10
  • The first sentence of your answer says that it's a contract, but the rest of your answer is directed towards arguing that it's not a contract. Arguably, it's not a contract, but that doesn't mean it's not limiting. The former employer can still sue for estoppel. – Acccumulation Nov 07 '18 at 23:18
  • @Acccumulation If you want to split that hair, it's a proposed contract until both parties accept it. The larger point is that it would be a bad contract because of its lack of consideration, which should yank the acceptance rug out from under all of it. The fact that it's not likely to be enforceable is a free bonus should the OP accept and do something that makes the employer want to go after him. – Blrfl Nov 08 '18 at 04:29
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There is no reason for you to sign this. You cannot benefit in any way from signing, but you might lose big time if you sign. As a consequence, do NOT sign anything under any circumstances.

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    I wouldn't say "under any circumstances". The company could offer an appropriate amount of money which compensates the OP for signing the non-compete contract. It is, however, very unlikely that the company is interested in providing a level of compensation that is reasonable wrt. the value that the OP is giving up. The OP should also become aware of what is legally permitted/enforceable wrt. non-compete contracts in their jurisdiction. – Makyen Nov 05 '18 at 01:23
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General rule of thumb when you have resigned is to ignore anything that does not palpably benefit you. This would include anything like signing documents.

So unless it includes a mention of recompense then don't enter into any dialogue at all. If you haven't left yet and you're forced to answer you just put it off. If you have left you just ignore it.

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TL;DR

You're under no obligation to do so. There are reasons you might want to, and reasons you might not.


FWIW, they should have handled this a lot earlier, trying to do it now is a bit unprofessional of them. Don't sign anything that isn't significantly time-limited (the longest I've ever seen was five years, which I negotiated down to two; six months is more common in my experience, YMMV). In any case, be polite, and also firm.

Reasons not to sign it

  • It limits your employment options: If you get an employment offer from a direct competitor of theirs, you can't take it. Only you know whether that's a significant limitation or an insignificant one. (I've left jobs where it would have been significant, and also ones where it would have been insignificant.)

  • Hassle: If you take a job with a company you thought wasn't a direct competitor of theirs, but they think it is, they may hassle you about it. ("hassle" could be anything from repeated contacts making you uncomfortable to suing you.)

Reasons to sign it

  • Remaining on good terms: If you've left on good terms, refusing to do this now may harm that.

  • Compensation: They're asking you to do something that may limit your choices; it's perfectly reasonable to ask for compensation for that, though it's hard to imagine getting enough to make it worthwhile, and naturally you'll want to avoid giving them the impression you're blackmailing them. (Negotiating compensation for something like this is not blackmail, but that doesn't affect their perception of it.)

Other Notes

  • These things are usually time-limited. If you decide to do it, make sure it's time-limited in a way you're comfortable with.

  • If you decide not to do it, I'd make a point of doing so very politely. Along the lines of:

    I understand why you'd want that, but I'm afraid I don't think I can. Although I have no specific plans to work for a competitor of yours, and I certainly have no intention of doing anything unprofessional, I need to keep my options open.

    (Obviously, if you've resigned to go work for a competitor, you have to remove the first bit of that.)

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  • good answer, however I don't think that word tl;dr means what you think it means ... – mcalex Nov 06 '18 at 08:13
  • @mcalex - :-) Hey, it's just the one paragraph... (Fixed) – T.J. Crowder Nov 06 '18 at 08:21
  • @mcalex sadly nowadays it is actually more or less deemed acceptable to use it to indicate short summaries of longer texts, but it throws me off every time it's the first thing in an answer as well, because i always first wonder why they answered if they didn't read the question, before I realize my mistake ;) – Mark Nov 06 '18 at 10:57
  • To add on @mcalex's comment, TL;DR's might be useful for really long answers. But answers on StackExchange tend to be longer and more in-depth than other platforms. The community likely enjoys this. And also, your answer has all the important things bolded out, which somewhat already makes it a TL;DR. – Daan Nov 06 '18 at 14:20
  • @mcalex In this context, "tl;dr" means "here's the version you want to read if your instinctual response to the full answer was 'tl;dr'" - ironic that we shorten it! – Lightness Races in Orbit Nov 07 '18 at 13:29
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    Re: remaining on good terms, declining to sign shouldn't have much of an impact on whether separation from the company is on good terms or not. The manner in which you decline may. You can politely and professionally decline. I'm not sure why your employer wouldn't give an accurate reference or remain a useful professional contact because you politely and professionally declined to sign a noncompete. – De Novo Nov 07 '18 at 17:46
  • @DeNovo - Indeed, though you know some employers... :-) – T.J. Crowder Nov 07 '18 at 17:47
  • @DeNovo I know old comment. your key word "shouldn't" and in a perfect world that would be the case. The employer may provide positive feedback and accolades or they might simply state they worked here. The latter is not negative but is certainly not an accolade. – Ken Nov 09 '18 at 08:03
  • @DeNovo Old comment, but any company that would sour on an ex-exmployee because they refused to sign a non-compete after the fact is probably a company not worth worrying about -- or working for ever again. – BryanH Sep 02 '21 at 21:20
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While my first instinct agrees with the other question, i.e. "why would you do that?" there is also another way to approach the question:

A contract (and this is a contract) is an agreement between two parties where both parties believe to have an advantage from signing over not signing.

So flat out ask them what they offer you for signing. Such agreements are typically signed at the beginning of an employment relationship, where your advantage is that you get the job and in jobs where the company wants you more than you want them it is usually part of the compensation, or in simple terms, they pay you for it.

Make a simple calculation what the non-compete could cost you in terms of opportunities you must forfeit. If they offer a compensation higher than this, the deal is advantageous for you and you could (but don't have to) sign it. If they offer lower, state factually that their offer is not high enough and refuse.

This shifts the discussion from "stubborn" to "greedy", but greedy is a trait that businesses can deal with. Or in other words: They can solve the problem simply by offering you enough money. And if they don't offer enough, it is not you being stubborn, it is them being cheap.

Approaching the question from this angle allows you to turn the tables on them. Now there's an offer from you on the table and they can take it or refuse it.

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You haven't stated in which country you are.

In some countries, law or case law sets requirements for non-compete clauses/contracts.

In France for instance, for a non-compete clause/contract to be valid, it has to:

  • be limited in time, space, and scope
  • include monetary compensation (it should be between one quarter and one half of the average salary)

So check the rules applicable in your own jurisdiction (if you even want to consider the non-compete).

Still, like the others, I would recommend just saying no. At this stage, unless it is really very, very well compensated, you have no reason to do so.

If however you want to agree, make sure that the non-compete includes at least the requirements above (limited in time, space, and scope, and with a monetary compensation). It should all be written down very clearly, and also define precisely what happens if the either party reneges (you start competing, or they stop paying).

When evaluating monetary compensation, weigh very carefully the scope of the non-compete contract. If it prevents you from working at all (because you're very specialised and the clause basically prevents you from working for anyone at all doing the same job, for instance), it should be equivalent to at least your salary for the whole duration of the non-compete contract, probably more as you won't necessarily be able to find a job right away when it ends, and you may have difficulty explaining why you didn't work for that duration, and of course not working also means being less "current" with your job (which for some jobs can really be a carrier-killer).

Once you factor in all that, most companies will just drop the idea of the non-compete.

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I recommend negotiating with them.

You may want to negotiate and sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA) instead. The NDA, says that you won't disclose any of their Proprietary Technology or Intellectual Property to other entities. This protects your previous employer and allows you to work for anybody else, including their competitors.

Hey, it's their issue if they are losing a good team member to the competition. It's also reasonable that you don't disclose their Intellectual Property to their competition.

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    The company has nothing OP wants, so there is no basis for negotiation. They have no leverage. Reject their request. – R.. GitHub STOP HELPING ICE Nov 04 '18 at 18:31
  • Retrospective NDA is an interesting concept... – Sean Houlihane Nov 04 '18 at 20:31
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    That's a very bold claim, since presumably the company has money, unless you want to suggest Alina doesn't want to be paid at all for anything they do. @R.. –  Nov 05 '18 at 00:48
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    @Nij: Negotiating compensation for a retroactive NDA, rather than for a non-compete, comes awfully close to blackmail. I would not want anything to do with that. I did not read "negotiating" in this answer as asking for compensation, but rather as offering the NDA as a substitute for the non-compete they're asking for, when they're not entitled to either and OP has no reason to give them either. – R.. GitHub STOP HELPING ICE Nov 05 '18 at 01:11
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    Blackmail would be saying they will release information unless paid. There is clearly no active intent to do so by Alima. Setting a price for the guarantee that they will not (accidentally or otherwise) release secure or privy information later is not at all the same. Negotiation of a contract normally involves any potential compensation - that's what consideration is - and would be required for a legitimate contract to exist, whatever form it happens to take. –  Nov 05 '18 at 02:18
  • @Nij but this guarantee can also be dangerous. The information the NDA concerns could still be fished from OP without their knowledge and used against them. – mathreadler Nov 05 '18 at 05:58
  • That's one of the risks they must consider and seek sufficient compensation for, then, isn't it. @mathreadler –  Nov 05 '18 at 06:04
  • @Nij I don't see how they must. What is the drawback of not making any NDA at all? – mathreadler Nov 05 '18 at 06:05
  • That they don't get compensation for non-disclosure of the information it covers. Why else would someone choose to make one than getting something for it? –  Nov 05 '18 at 06:09
  • In exchange for compensation for the work done? If no contract at all was signed which was written in question, I assumed (maybe falsely) that no employment or work contract was signed at all and the company would not be obliged to pay anything for the work done. – mathreadler Nov 05 '18 at 06:25
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    @Nij - OP is already done working for them. They don't get to decide to not compensate him/her for work already done. So what money do they have to use as leverage for someone who has already completed all of their work? – PoloHoleSet Nov 05 '18 at 16:38
  • If he is on the way out, there are no negotiations to be made.... – Rui F Ribeiro Nov 05 '18 at 17:00
  • The contract exists whether or not anything is physically signed. Maybe visit Law SE and find out a little more how they work. @mathreadler –  Nov 05 '18 at 17:42
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    However much more money Alima wants to ask them for. That's what negotiation is. Where is the difficulty in seeing the point of an answer that is very clear in its suggestion? @PoloHoleSet –  Nov 05 '18 at 17:43
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    @Nij - ah..... I completely misinterpreted your comment - I thought you were suggesting that OP needed to consider it even if they were inclined to just walk away, without signing anything, because there was some kind of financial leverage. Thanks for clarifying that for me. – PoloHoleSet Nov 05 '18 at 18:19
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In general, when leaving a job, you should not sign willingly and blindy whatever they ask you to sign. Always check documents first, and with time to think it over and talk with a laywer. Ask for a copy beforehand.

Also as for NDAs and non-compete agreements, they are often signed by high-key and very well payed employees at the beginning of contract - think management, very high skilled employees or consultants paid their net weight in gold.

Also, usually a non-compete after leaving should be VERY well compensated.

From the tone of your question, I suppose you are in not any of those cases. I known low-key people that accepted non-compete clauses with a nominal compensation (300-500 Euros) at the beginning of the contract, because they were not experienced and thought it was "normal" - and also because they wanted the job, so beware of what you are doing - there are a lot of non-reputable firms pulling those stunts out there.

Lastly, as other say, it is quite odd you even consider their requests not when starting a job, but when ending. I would tell them to get lost in no uncertain terms.

So to sum it up, unless they are offering you 2 or 3 times your net salary after taxes for the whole duration of the non-compete agreement, there is no sense into even contemplating the idea, and even then.

PS. Such token payments I mentioned earlier is just to strenghten their case in court if the employee tries to invalidate it.

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    Are you seriously suggesting that if someone offered you 2-3 times your regular salary for a period where you don't have to do any work, that you wouldn't accept? Madness. – Numeron Nov 06 '18 at 01:30
  • Depends on age, industry, and other factors. At my age accepting. such a deal for a lengthy period of time would mean I would not get another job until retirement. Ditto for someone inexperienced. – Rui F Ribeiro Nov 06 '18 at 06:26
  • Actually my father and a younger workmate were in a similar position... Father accepted a good early retiremt package, mate got a lump payment and x time off-work. Mate never got another good paying stable job. – Rui F Ribeiro Nov 06 '18 at 06:38
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    @Numeron why is it madness? For quite some people it is a severe punishment to not be allowed to do any own work during a time period. That's what it is about in this case and not not having to do any work. – mathreadler Nov 06 '18 at 09:57
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    @mathreadler There are other factors. When I changed jobs out of my first job out of University, I increased my salary fivefold overnight. Likewise, after a layover of redundacies and having my salary cut in half, I changed countries and my salary increased more than 10 times - and it were very life enriching experiences. If I had accepted such "deals" on the way out... People without life experience may not understand the immediate gain you have is not everything in the equation. – Rui F Ribeiro Nov 06 '18 at 10:13
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    @RuiFRibeiro It sounds like a nosey style trap. It drains and overshadows everything else of value. – mathreadler Nov 06 '18 at 10:28
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This situation happened to me and several of my coworkers during a layoff. I said this is prim evidence the human resorces department was doing a bad job when they hired all of us. In addition, they also presented us with agreements to hold us liable for moving expenses if we left the company during the first year. We all laughed at that, too late, too bad.

Then the company realized it had made a mistake and asked one lady to return, she blew them off saying she already had a new job. One of the more senior people also had a new job at our competitor's company and walked into a Monday morning meeting and said hello to a dozen admirals and generals by name. He told them this company had a better product and better ethics.

Several of the laid-off employees sued for age discrimination, failure to follow company procedures, and legal slander. They were offered full back pay, benefits, and reinstatement. One man accepted their offer, worked for a week to fully qualify for retirements benefits, and then quit.

Moral of the story: The HR department screwed up and cost the company a lot of money.

Bob
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    I understand why the original question may remind you of your relevant story, but it doesn't help to answer the question. Try reading How do I write a good answer? in the help section to get some tips and a better explanation of what would be more helpful to the OP. If you face any such scenarios in the future, Workplace would be a good place to seek advice. – Engineer Toast Nov 06 '18 at 13:42