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The Human Development Index (HDI) is a composite statistic of life expectancy, education, and income per capita indicators, which are used to rank countries into four tiers of human development.

Currently Norway is considered to be the most developed country in the world by that index, but looking at Visa requirements for Norwegian citizens one can see that not all countries are fully open to them. Since Norwegian citizens are extremely unlikely to overstay their visas or attempt to work undercover, why would any country ask them to get visas in advance?

This question is especially perplexing for countries such as China, which offer almost zero visas-on-arrival for Europeans.

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    Related: https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/34538/why-do-indian-citizens-need-many-visas?rq=1 – JonathanReez Aug 15 '16 at 11:06
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    Good luck getting an objective answer on this one. Or at least good luck getting the one, right, answer. – hippietrail Aug 15 '16 at 13:42
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    @hippietrail I believe there's plenty of research done on the topic of visa-free regimes, so I'm sure someone will pull out a scientific article analyzing all the reasons. I know that Russia officially requires full reciprocity, so it's not like it's a state secret. – JonathanReez Aug 15 '16 at 14:24
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    Let me play devil's advocate here: why should they grant visa-free based only on HDI? Sounds like "First World Problems" to me. – Mindwin Remember Monica Aug 15 '16 at 14:32
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    @Mindwin to attract more tourists, investment, international businesses, as well as reduce the workload of their foreign consulates. – JonathanReez Aug 15 '16 at 15:00
  • @JonathanReez Did you say that backwards? Did you mean they require visas so as to reduce the number of tourists? – Colin McLarty Aug 15 '16 at 19:59
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    @Mindwin Usually, the primary reason for visa-free entry not being granted is a high percentage of people from that place seeking to abuse short-term tourist entry permission to stay long-term. The incidence of that occurring among people from places with high HDI is quite low. – reirab Aug 15 '16 at 22:00
  • @JonathanReez: That answer I would like to see. So far all we have is a discussion. And discussion is supposed to be for the chat room. – hippietrail Aug 16 '16 at 03:36
  • In the particular example of Norway and China, China is still grumpy about the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize going to a Chinese dissident. – Stig Hemmer Aug 16 '16 at 09:39
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    @ColinMcLarty That was Jonathon's answer to "why should they grant visa-free ...?". The reason Jonathon thinks they should grant visa-free status is to attract more tourists. – user253751 Aug 17 '16 at 11:12
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    How is HDI relevant? Just because someone comes from a more developed country (and HDI is highly arguable as a measure for that) does not mean that he doesn't want to immigrate. For example one might make money in Norway and then decide to retire in an African country were his money is worth a lot, so that he can buy a huge house with servitude etc. – Bakuriu Aug 17 '16 at 12:46
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    @Bakuriu the question is about short-term tourist visas, not long-term permanent visas. You can overstay a regular paper visa just like you can overstay a visa-free entry. The only question is the likelihood of that happening. – JonathanReez Aug 17 '16 at 12:56
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    You might also get an interesting answer by posting on politics.se . – indigochild Aug 18 '16 at 14:04
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    @Bakuriu Usually, those people would be granted permanent residency anyway - lots of third-world countries are perfectly happy to have rich foreigners emigrate and throw around lots of money. – SomeoneSomewhereSupportsMonica Aug 19 '16 at 05:28
  • OT: nowadays you can get a visa on Arrival at major Chinese Airports if it's arranged in advance with the help of the Airline. You then Need two passport photos and the fee is paid on arrival – Crazydre Aug 26 '16 at 21:26

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Reciprocity?

Many Latin American countries charge reciprocity fees from USA citizens on rationale that their citizens have to pay same fees when applying for visas to USA.

Russian Federation for example goes further and tries to match visa conditions both ways. Then your answer would be: they require citizens of states with high HDI to get visas because countries with high HDI demand their citizens get visas.

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  • @pnuts Matching visa fees is a good way to define a sum people of a particular country will be able to pay for a visa. – Dmitry Grigoryev Aug 15 '16 at 11:32
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    @pnuts I don't think this is a valid point, because I wouldn't expect anyone to go there for a vacation even if the visa was free. – Dmitry Grigoryev Aug 15 '16 at 11:51
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    I believe reciprocity is an important issue. It is one way to bring the attention of e.g. USA tourists to the expense and inconvenience the USA imposes on tourists who would like to visit the USA. – Patricia Shanahan Aug 15 '16 at 14:16
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    Visa fees are one of the primary sources of financial support for border security measures. They amount to over $1b a year that would otherwise come out of U.S. taxes. I think you would have a hard time finding a politician eager to lobby against those fees. – Tyler Aug 15 '16 at 14:39
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    @Tyler you can charge for Visa stamp with Visa-on-arrival schemes, Turkey and Egypt used to do that (effectively charging $25 for on-arrival visa) USA has Visa Waiver programme anyway, it's just that eligible countries are carefully picked. Most of Lat.Am. is excluded. – alamar Aug 15 '16 at 14:45
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    @alamar, you can, but then you can't personally interview applicants ahead of time, which the U.S. has decided they need to do. – Tyler Aug 15 '16 at 14:58
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    @PatriciaShanahan The USA only brings that expense and inconvenience on tourists from places where a very high percentage of those applying for tourist entry are doing so fraudulently with the intent of overstaying. It's much more accommodating to tourists from places from which there isn't much incidence of such abuse. This is not unique to the USA, by the way. – reirab Aug 15 '16 at 22:01
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    The reciprocal costs of visas to visit other countries is just a price citizens of countries that charge a lot for visas should expect. – Patricia Shanahan Aug 16 '16 at 00:10
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    @PatriciaShanahan: yes, as a cheap "I can be tough" revenge and not acknowledging that their citizens are prone to overstay their visits to other countries. – Martin Argerami Aug 16 '16 at 13:26
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    @MartinArgerami Russian citizens are not usually prone to overstay (numbers on illegal immigration from Russia are arguably low taking into account size of the country and travel intensity) and yet due to political reasons there's no visa waiver to USA or visa-less travel to Schengen area. Why not play tough? "I've heard you like politics so I've put politics into your visa application" – alamar Aug 16 '16 at 14:40
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    @alamar Russia isn't in the program because 10% of their visa applications are refused, while the criteria is 3.5% – JonathanReez Aug 16 '16 at 19:06
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    @reirab "A very high percentage"?? The threshold is based on refused visas (not all of which will mean ill intent) and has to be quite low for them to be accepted for visa-free entry. – Loren Pechtel Aug 16 '16 at 22:54
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    @LorenPechtel There are literally over ten million people who have entered the U.S. illegally or overstayed their visas (mostly from South or Central America) currently present in the United States. It's not just a few here and there. To put that number more in perspective, the number of people who are currently present in the U.S. illegally is greater than the entire population of Switzerland. – reirab Aug 17 '16 at 04:06
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    @JonathanReez 3,5% sounds like an unrealistic target, there'll always be some fraction of people who e.g. can't do their paperwork properly.

    Maybe it wasn't unrealistic back when such arrangements were made with other countries if rules were less strict.

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    @alamar, Why, Schengen visa refusal rates for Russian citizens have been around (if not below) 1% for nearly a decade now. – ach Aug 17 '16 at 10:20
  • @reirab ... and a small percentage of the world population; what kind of perspective is that? But no matter how you feel about illegal immigration or whether current US visa policy is a reasonable response to it, it is factually untrue and grossly misleading to write that the only people who require a visa are citizens from countries with a "very high percentage" of abuse of the visa system. For better or for worse, it isn't so. – Relaxed Aug 31 '16 at 11:55
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It's a good question, and I've often wondered this myself. Alamar's answer is a big part of it. I'm not sure if it adds up to much, but here are a few other things I can think of:

Control

Countries may wish to exercise a certain amount of control regardless. For example, India practices stringent screening of people of Pakistani origin (Even third generation immigrants.) There's even a special field in the visa application form asking if you have Pakistani roots, and the processing time is much longer for people of Pakistani origin. Many nationalities are eligible to apply for e-visa online, but people of Pakistani origin (regardless of citizenship) are not eligible for e-visa at all. It also appears that a great many of these people are in fact rejected.

To follow up on your example, Norway has roughly 40.000 people of Pakistani origin. (And many more from similar countries.) A great many of them are Norwegian citizens. If India was to remove the visa requirement for all Norwegian citizens, they would lose the ability to additionally screen these Norwegians of Pakistani origin. It would also make it much, much more difficult to reject them. Whether this additional screening and rejection is useful or not is a separate matter, but it's a fact that India does practice it.

Blacklisted people, and people who have been previously denied entry

There's also the additional motive of making it easier to enforce blacklists. Let's say an individual has been caught overstaying or committing crimes previously (maybe even in another, cooperating country) and is blacklisted in some way. He can then be denied a visa. If the person could simply arrive in the airport, it would be different. They may catch him at immigration, but it may not be convenient to check everyone on the spot at immigration. And if a blacklisted person does show up, the country may have to pay for the flight ticket (and other administrative costs) to have him deported back to his country of origin. Neither is it a good practice to return people who have spent much time and money on their trip. Stories of such (quite possibly totally innocent) people being arbitrarily rejected at immigration and deported does not give your country a good name internationally, and does not encourage tourism. Would you want to spend your money and holidays traveling to a country that may or may not accept you when you arrive? What if you even risked having to pay your own expensive deportation flight ticked home? No matter the probability, this would not encourage tourism to that country. It's much easier for the country to reject people during a visa application process.

Political reasons

My mother works for a Norwegian publisher. This publisher publishes, among other things, many books and magazines about geo-politics and regional politics. Some of these books/magazines have written about certain countries in less than favorable ways. After such publishings, there have been instances where people employed in that company could no longer get visas for those countries. (Even if they said they were just going for tourism.) If those countries allowed all Norwegians access without them having to apply for visas first, that would severely limit their ability to refuse entry to such people. Again, it's much harder to turn people away at the border.

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  • India has introduced e-Visas for Norwegian citizens (almost as good as visas-on-arrival), so I don't think they care that much. – JonathanReez Aug 15 '16 at 10:45
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    @JonathanReez Yes, and the e-Visa application asks you about your previous nationality (if any), whether you are of Pakistani origin, etc. Some applicants may be refused e-Visa and be asked to apply normally through the Embassy. That is the biggest difference between e-Visa and visa on arrival. – Fiksdal Aug 15 '16 at 10:52
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    You can be asked the same questions when arriving by air. E.g. Israel has additional security screening for visa-free passengers. – JonathanReez Aug 15 '16 at 11:05
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    @JonathanReez You can, but it's much more difficult to turn someone away once they have traveled for a whole day and arrived in the airport. It's much more convenient to do it via the e-Visa process. If you get a bunch of Pakistani-Norwegians arriving in Delhi, and you decide to refuse them entry, you have a much bigger hassle on your hands. You might have to deport them. Administrative resources. You probably have to pay their flight tickets for deportation. All of that could have been avoided simply by refusing their e-Visa application while they were still in Norway. – Fiksdal Aug 15 '16 at 11:10
  • @JonathanReez Not to mention that arbitrarily rejecting people who have spent much money on a holiday (and are often just normal, innocent tourists or businessmen) and deporting them back to their home country does not give you a good name internationally. – Fiksdal Aug 15 '16 at 11:13
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    @pnuts Evidently India does want to screen them. I'm not saying that that's necessarily reasonable, I'm just saying that's what they do. And it's not a once in a blue moon event. India rejects plenty of people of Pakistani origin. Imagine having to stop all those people in the airport and deporting them. If they want to screen them, they will have to either to it in advance, or at the airport when they arrive. I'm saying it's easier to do it in advance. – Fiksdal Aug 15 '16 at 11:47
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    @Fiksdal "You probably have to pay their flight tickets for deportation" - I doubt that, cf. http://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/23622/who-pays-for-the-return-ticket-when-a-country-refuses-entry – Hagen von Eitzen Aug 15 '16 at 11:50
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    @HagenvonEitzen I don't know either, but there's a difference between the traveller not having his documents in order and the country arbitrarily deciding to reject them. It would also depend on country, probably. And it's also a matter of the country's image. Rejecting visitors and then making them pay for an expensive return ticket does not look good. And what if they simply can't afford one? Tickets can be very expensive on a short notice. – Fiksdal Aug 15 '16 at 11:54
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    @Fiksdal Many (most?) countries require the airline on which the person arrived to remove them if they are rejected entry. It's then up to the airline to attempt to recover those costs from the person if they so choose. – reirab Aug 15 '16 at 22:06
  • @reirab Yes, I know that that is often the case, but often the traveler has made a mistake. I'm not sure if it's also what countries would do if someone had followed all rules and a country arbitrarily decided to deport them. – Fiksdal Aug 15 '16 at 22:44
  • @HagenvonEitzen Interestingly, it may actually be even worse if the traveller has to pay himself. Would you want to spend your money and holidays traveling to a country that may or may not arbitrarily reject you when you arrive? What if you even risked having to pay your own expensive deportation flight ticked home? – Fiksdal Aug 18 '16 at 09:31
  • @JonathanReez BTW, it says here that people of Pakistani origin are not eligible for e-visa at all. – Fiksdal Aug 26 '16 at 16:35
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As a rule of thumb, the worse the visa regime, the worse the country's regime. It's the tinpot dictatorships of the world (Turkmenistan, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Angola, etc) that make it the hardest to get visas and watch visitors most closely, not because they're particularly concerned about Norwegians stealing their jobs, but because they're afraid that they're actually {journalists, dangerous infidels, disguised CIA spies, etc} out to {steal their military secrets, report on human rights issues, lead the faithful astray, steal their women, etc}. Or, in the case of the United States, suffering from bed-wetting hysteria about foreign terrorists.

China is somewhere in the middle of the spectrum: not particularly bad as far as visas or regimes are concerned, but still pretty paranoid about foreigners snooping about where they shouldn't (eg. Tibet without a tour guide) and with a strong preference for more state control rather than less. Inertia is also a factor: no bureaucrat ever got fired for imposing more restrictions, whereas letting a bad apple in may be a career-limiting move.

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What makes you think people from HDI countries wouldn't want to work in another country? Not everything is about maximum profit. As a Dutch guy living in Bali (Indonesia) I see plenty of people from well-off countries that still like to live and work in Indonesia instead, many of them on visas that don't allow this. So coming from a fortunate country doesn't mean that people don't have to be checked at all.

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    The number and percentage of Westerners who abuse the visa system is very low. On the other hand the number of Westerners who avoid a country completely because it requires a visa is quite high. – JonathanReez Aug 16 '16 at 12:55
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    Do you have a source for that quote? – Sebastiaan van den Broek Aug 16 '16 at 13:02
  • This does not provide an answer to the question. To critique or request clarification from an author, leave a comment below their post. - From Review – JoErNanO Aug 16 '16 at 13:07
  • @JoErNanO even though it does ask something from the author (though I'd say the way I phrased it is more to make him question himself), it also answers the question. Which is that coming from a high HDI country doesn't mean people won't work illegally or won't abuse visa's in a different way. – Sebastiaan van den Broek Aug 16 '16 at 13:08
  • I fail to see how this answers the question: Why do many countries in the world still require citizens of states with a high HDI to get visas? – JoErNanO Aug 16 '16 at 13:09
  • @JonathanReez I don't have a source but I do see the opposite of what would at first glance seem logical sometimes. You are right that it's often for remote work but that doesn't mean that taxes shouldn't be paid in that case, the country's infrastructure is still being used and services are provided. Normally this is (partially) paid for by taxes on work, no matter if the work is local or remote. I will admit I don't know how it compares to the numbers from less fortunate countries though. – Sebastiaan van den Broek Aug 16 '16 at 13:13
  • In any case a country being visa-free or not doesn't stop checks at the border. E.g. around 50 countries can access the EU visa-free, but they regularly catch people violating the 90-out-of-180 law. Likewise Israel interviews a large number of incoming passengers from visa-free countries to identify potential terrorists. It's simply a matter of statistics: high HDI citizens violate less, low HDI citizens violate more. – JonathanReez Aug 16 '16 at 13:32
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    @JonathanReez> although there may be less incentive to working in poorer countries, it's also much easier to do for a Westerner. Travel is relatively cheaper, you usually have higher education so you have major advantage finding a job, and returning if it goes wrong is easier. Plus, if you get caught for overstay or illegal work, you're in much less trouble when carrying a passport from an influent country. Did I mention it's also much safer? I've not heard any story of Western immigrants being abused by local mafias in poorer countries, while the opposite hits the news on a daily basis. – spectras Aug 16 '16 at 13:35
  • @JonathanReez actually I think I agree with you that the amount of violation will probably be less from high HDI countries, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist and that these people should be exempt from border/entry checks (regardless of checks later in-country) – Sebastiaan van den Broek Aug 16 '16 at 13:41
  • Can confirm. Exactly the same in India. Many Westerners do work here (often using special skills to run businesses and/or provide services to other Westerners and rich locals for steep prices.) Much of this is illegal, and occasionally detrimental (possibly) to the locals in certain areas. There are thousands of Westerners living in India, and many of them would like to stay here for years together. While the Indian government may not see this as a huge problem, they certainly want to regulate it and at least try to keep control. – Fiksdal Aug 16 '16 at 13:53
  • @Fiksdal being visa-free doesn't mean you can stay in the country forever or avoid border checks. Likewise getting a visa doesn't preclude people from violating the rules. – JonathanReez Aug 16 '16 at 13:54
  • @JonathanReez I know. And the same applies for Indian coming to Norway. And visa requirements enhance control in both cases. – Fiksdal Aug 16 '16 at 14:01
  • @JonathanReez that may be so but that sounds more like an argument against visa's altogether, rather than making an exception for high HDI countries. I have to assume that they at least catch a percentage with these visa's. – Sebastiaan van den Broek Aug 16 '16 at 14:02
  • @Fiksdal But the number of Indians who would potentially violate visa rules within a visa-free regime is by an order of magnitude (possibly two) larger than the reverse! That's the whole rationale behind introducing visas in the first place. – JonathanReez Aug 16 '16 at 14:05
  • @JonathanReez Totally agree. The numbers are way different. Like a RC plane and a passenger plane. But that doesn't mean it's not a part of the puzzle. – Fiksdal Aug 16 '16 at 14:08
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A consideration I don't see mentioned yet is that most repressive governments maintain control over their populations by controlling the flow of information to their citizens - this most visibly achieved by state controlled media and internet access, so that the citizens of these countries only hear what the government wants them to hear. In many of the world's worst places, an important aspect of this information strategy is convincing the populace that they're actually better off than the rest of the world. Allowing large numbers of foreign visitors into the country, particularly those from relatively wealthy nations, is problematic because what these foreigners do and say can't be controlled like the rest of the media, and even their mere existence undermines the illusion that the government uses to keep control over its people. Using visas to limit foreign interactions with their populace is a component of controlling what information their citizens have access to.

I'm struck in particular by the example of North Korea, whose citizens are indoctrinated to believe that their country, and they themselves, are relatively well off, despite rampant starvation and poverty. Seeing (let alone interacting with) millions of fat tourists traveling their country with unimaginable luxuries like multiple sets of clothing and cameras and phones and computers (and so on) would seriously undermine the state propaganda about the relative condition of the native populace, and by extension, the prestige, power and benevolence of the DPRK government. This fiction plays an important role in keeping their population compliant, and keeping them in power, so they're not about to jeopardize it for a few tourist dollars, especially considering that those tourist dollars wouldn't add noticeably to the wealth and power of those in charge anyway.

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  • I think there are a few countries, North Korea high among them, that do not want visitors "poking around in their business" and tightly control anybody coming into the country. While they may accept some tourists, the process is strict and people are not generally free to explore as they please. But there are still a number of counties that do not so tightly restrict access to information (uncensored internet access, international satellite television generally available, etc...) that still require visas (or e-visas) for, say, Norwegians. – Zach Lipton Aug 15 '16 at 23:20
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    @pnuts North Korea is far-and-away the best contemporary example, but they're not the only ones. Not to mention that this isn't something they came up with on their own - it's the same strategy the Soviets pursued for several decades, until they sealed their own fate with Glasnost, and we all know how well that worked out for them. – HopelessN00b Aug 15 '16 at 23:22
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This is an interesting question and I'd like to throw in one more answer just because it hasn't been directly stated yet (though implied in many of the comments).

As others have said, it's hard if not impossible to completely answer this question with objective sources. Visas are granted/denied for lots of reasons, so trying to pin it down to a single factor (or even a dominant one) is probably not possible. Every country reserves the right to screen those who seek to enter it, and each likely has its own set of reasons for doing so. I'll give a couple examples from personal experience.

1) USA

The US imports a lot of skilled workers, especially in the tech industry. I happen to work with a lot of people from different countries, and invariably, those hailing from Europe/UK have a fairly easy time getting in. They make great candidates for tech work because they typically come from high-HDI areas where they've received a good education and have financial backing, and their skills are in demand. On the flip side, some of my Indian coworkers have had lots of trouble getting visas, because so many Indians want to come to the US but in many cases don't have the education or finances to match their European counterparts. This all falls in line with your proposition that visas are HDI-related in some way.

2) KSA

Saudi Arabia is known for having some of the strictest visa processing in the world, and is also very high on the HDI scale. But they grant far more visas to laborers from low-HDI countries because they have so much demand for manual labor. Additionally, while I was working there, a government official in the Netherlands decided to make some public slurs about Saudis, and suddenly my Dutch coworkers found it much harder to renew their visas and travel about the country. Some of them even got stuck in Bahrain, being denied reentry until they applied for a new visa. Things like that are clearly not related to a country's HDI.

Conclusion:

Each country's motivations are different, and often multi-faceted. It's probably not possible to tie visa privileges to HDI in any way that broadly applies to the world.

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    Good answer, but the Q was more about travel visas and less about work visas – blackbird Aug 16 '16 at 20:31
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    @blackbird I actually don't see where that's specified in the question, the way I read it, it applies to visas in general. Unfortunately I don't have much personal experience with travel visas so I can't speak too much to that issue. – thanby Aug 16 '16 at 21:40
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It seems possible that you may not be asking quite the right question. Many countries require visas from many people. If you squint, you can see some trends like people from really poor countries having a generally harder time travelling elsewhere or authoritarian regimes being more restrictive regarding all movement in and out of the country but in general, requiring some form of prior verification had become the default everywhere.

There are now two big blocks of relatively open countries between which people can come and go both ways increasingly easily (that would be Europe and Latin America) but elsewhere visas are very often required, even for short visits (and in fact, sometimes being tightened or reintroduced under the guise of "electronic authorisation" systems like there is now in the US, Australia, Canada, etc.)

Now, it's true that a number of countries like Thailand or Turkey do have a pretty liberal visa regime for foreigners from richer countries without too much concern for reciprocity or abuse of the system (and, in spite of what you may believe, overstay from people from rich countries is common). The reason for that is pretty straightforward: Tourism is a major industry and making it easy for people to come for a vacation is a deliberate strategy for these countries. But that's what it is: A specific reason to drop visa requirements, not the other way around.

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It is noteworthy that many of the countries that are "stickiest" about visas for Norwegians are themselves less developed countries. Basically, these may be countries that are suspicious of "anybody."

The "one" thing that Norway lacks is geopolitical clout, in the manner of the United States, or even China. It is this last factor that may "open doors" to less developed countries for holders of these passports.

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