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Here's a scenario:

  • Say I am in a country in the Schengen Area on a residence permit that expires Jan 1, and have been here for a few years continuously
  • I leave the country to go live somewhere else outside of the Schengen Area on Jan 1
  • On Jan 15 I want to come back to visit this same country for a week

When does the 180 day window start for me? In particular, can I come back on Jan 15 in this scenario without violating the rule or does the window lookback 180 days flat to even when I had a valid residence permit? That would seem odd to me, but I can't find any language explicitly allowing this. maybe because it is a somewhat rare case.

Mark Johnson
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  • Exchange students do it fairly often, often without leaving. – Jon Custer Aug 25 '23 at 12:49
  • The days as a resident, while in the country of residence, does not count for the 90 days of a 180 day period. Therefore a return on the 15th would be day 1 of 90. – Mark Johnson Aug 25 '23 at 13:11
  • @MarkJohnson Regarding your edits: does the type of permit matter? I am on a EU blue card talent passport, which I guess is a sort of residence permit though I've always just called it (maybe wrongly) a visa. – Derek Allums Aug 25 '23 at 13:23
  • A national visa, type D, (which also does not count for the 90 days) can only be valid up to a year. The type of resident permit is not important. – Mark Johnson Aug 25 '23 at 13:29
  • @MarkJohnson So indeed my Talent Passport Blue Card works here and as you note above, my first day back after expiry is day 1 of 90, correct (just getting hung up a bit on visa vs. residence permit since I've never thought about the distinction but it seems I should be fine here). Info here on this visa for France: https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F16922?lang=en – Derek Allums Aug 25 '23 at 13:40
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    Does this answer your question? Long-term visa expiration + Count towards Schengen tourist days? – Traveller Aug 25 '23 at 15:05

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