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I saw that some missions end with the lunar night time, and the rovers are trashed permanently instead of trying to survive the night.

The concerns have to do with trying to keep the rover at operating temperatures without a power source.

However, I don't really understand why these temperatures have to be maintained in general.

In overclocking, liquid nitrogen is used to cool CPUs to almost -200 °C. So it's not like silicon has trouble functioning at these temperatures.

So why can't the rover just power down completely for the night time, and resume operations in two weeks? What is it about the low temperatures that kills it completely?

In general, circuits should be able to operate at any temperature, from -200 to 100 °C. What kills circuits is temperature change, which enlarges and contracts pieces, which end up breaking off. This is how heat cycles kill graphics cards.

You could use metals with less thermal expansion. You could design the rover with thermal insulation, so the circuits are cold and wouldn't get warm.

Is the problem that the batteries don't survive the freezing? Could just use a maglev flywheel or do solar panels crack from the temperature change? It could just use a high number of individual parallels cells instead of the series.

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    "In general circuits should be able to operate at any temperature, from -200 to 100C" Well, that means dipping ICs alternately in liquid nitrogen and boiling water - most commercial integrated circuits are going to have a tough time operating continuously and reliably over that entire range, so I don't really believe this sentence. Can you show evidence that this is true? Or do you mean they can withstand that range in storage only? One fundamental challenge is the variation of carrier density with temperature, which is different for each kind of doped region within various devices on chip. – uhoh Sep 05 '23 at 20:43
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    And yes mechanical cycling of the packaging of the chips, as well as the PC boards is a problem. But wow, what electrolytic capacitors work cycling between -200 to +100C? Not to mention all the other components necessary to support complex electronics. And then there's those supercapacitors and batteries... – uhoh Sep 05 '23 at 20:45
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    "In overclocking liquid nitrogen is used to cool cpus to almost -200 C" I don't believe that either. Certainly LN2 provides a very generous "cold source" (i.e. heat sink) but is the IC really immersed in the liquid? Heat flow is somewhat analogous to electrical current flow and Temperature analogous to voltage. While the LN2 is "ground" the silicon inside the overclocked CPU is the "high end" and at a much higher temperature.Through various transitions through the packaging and heat sinking finite thermal resistance of each material and each interface results in... – uhoh Sep 05 '23 at 20:51
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    ... "voltage drops" i.e. temperature drops, the only material that's actually near LN2 temperature is the LN2 itself and perhaps the inside surface of the wall of the container that holds it. If you turn on a utility that reports the temperature of the silicon of the CPU (most modern CPUs provide this to the OS) it's not going to read -200 C, and not even close to that cold. It's generating 10-30 watts of heat continuously right? It's gonna be way warmer than that. – uhoh Sep 05 '23 at 20:53
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    While they use LN2 to cool stuff, the silicon itself never gets down to these temperatures. Standard chips often have problems starting at a bit under -40 for various reasons, one is simply the bond wires breaking due to shrinkage, another is that various processes stop working as required ( e.g. bandgap references, certain transistor characteristics ). It generally is possible to create devices that function at those low temperatures (particle accelrator sensor assemblies anyone?) but it gets harder and harder the lower the temperature and the harder the temperature swing. – PlasmaHH Sep 05 '23 at 21:23
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    The purpose of liquid nitrogen in extreme overclocking isn't to cool the CPU to -200C, it's to keep the CPU from heating to 100C. Fast-running CPUs generate a lot of heat. – Mark Sep 05 '23 at 23:58
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    "In general circuits should be able to operate at any temperature, from -200 to 100 °C". That's the mother of all bold assumptions. If you inspect the datasheet of just about any semiconductor part out there, you will find that they're all rated for something like -40 to +85 °C ambient, maybe a few tens of degrees wider if non-operating or a special version for harsh conditions. And checking the temperature dependence of various properties will tell you that they vary wildly across that temperature range, so while the part will be able to operate, it certainly won't operate the same at all Ts. – TooTea Sep 06 '23 at 09:26
  • @PlasmaHH at the other end of the (temperature and band gap) scale, if you haven't seen it you might be interested in Would it be possible to build a probe that could operate at about 480 °C (900F degrees) without insulation? – uhoh Sep 06 '23 at 22:43
  • Hey, sorry I wasn't around. Uh I saw some commentators said that the silicon in liquid nitrogen cooling for over locking doesn't actually get cold to the temperature of the liquid nitrogen boiling point, but id like to point out that often, they will show the silicon temperature in the bios and it will show as -171 degrees C. Which is almost entirely there temperature wise. I guess the next counter argument would be that the temperature sensor is not accurate or not calibrated, but at this point we're trying way too hard to try to prove that silicone doesn't work in low temperatures. – sergbot Sep 11 '23 at 04:50
  • Also, while it might take a tremendous amount of power to keep a rover at room temperature while it's -200c outside, it would take a fraction of that power to keep just the CPU at -170c. With the temperatures being so low it would take a long time to conduct heat away and it would be efficient to keep just the CPU warm. Again, like I'm seeing work arounds every issue, it just looks to me that they just gave up – sergbot Sep 11 '23 at 04:52
  • also, it looks like silicon doesn't become an insulator until absolute zero, which doesn't really exist in general because theres always residual heat everywhere. So the reason for the silicon to stop functioning is always mechanical, knowing this you could probably just make a chip with better margins for expansion and contraction. Also if you keep just the cpu on for two weeks on battery power, it will probably make more heat than it could conduct away, and would stay at a temperature it wouldn't die at. Could probably also bring a gallon of chemical fuel, those rovers are car sized. – sergbot Oct 05 '23 at 11:04

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Yes, generally, the things that kill an unpowered probe are the physical changes associated with extremely low temperatures. Even if the processor itself continued working correctly, at the extremes of cold we're talking about, the differences in contraction between materials can pull apart components. I'm talking about things like the metallic circuit traces breaking off of a circuit board, wires snapping, possibly even solar panels delaminating or battery cases cracking open.

In addition, extreme cold and sitting in a deeply discharged state for a long time can permanently damage the internals of batteries, making them impossible to use later even if charging voltage becomes available. For example, lithium-ion batteries are famous for being difficult to recharge if they drain deeply enough, and any liquid electrolyte solutions are subject to freezing, which could both physically damage the battery and change the qualities of the solution when it starts to defrost under sunlight later. It may not be possible to design a battery that would still produce power at the lunar night-time temperature of -200 °F (-130 °C) without heaters, regardless of what conditions the processor is capable of functioning under.

You mentioned avoiding heat/cool cycles with insulation. But, there's not really any way to go from full sunlight to deep-space shadow without heat/cool cycles. There is no insulation in the world that could maintain temperatures across weeks of constant direct multi-hundred-degree sunlight and weeks of total darkness. Just look at how much work the JWST has to go through to keep its sensors at deep-space temperature, and that's with the entire design revolving around pulling off that trick, with constant power to run the coolers. Maintaining that sort of cold while still having attached components sitting in constant sunlight is a non-trivial problem, and that without actually sitting on a surface that's being baked by the same light.

To avoid getting damaged by freezing, most solar-powered probes use heater circuits to stay warm when they're going to be in a shadow for an extended time. But heaters cost battery power, and that puts a hard limit on how long they can be shaded before they have to shut down and risk taking damage from the cold. Most probes will have a 'safe mode' where they can kill the heaters and just wait for dawn with minimal power usage (it's actually the hibernation mode they were using during the flight out, in most cases), but it's generally expected that something will go wrong and it won't ever wake up. And sometimes the probe needs to actively keep an antenna pointed at Earth to keep talking to us, so even if it does wake up in the morning, it may not be able to reacquire and get stuck yelling into the void. So most lunar landers just assume that sundown means the show is over. (Of course we still hope. Chandrayaan 3 is currently shut down waiting for dawn. We hope it wakes up. We don't count on it.)

Now, the alternative is using radioactive materials for heat and/or power. A few lunar rovers, including the USSR's Lunokhod 1 & 2 and China's Chang'e 4, have used radio-thermal heaters to survive the night and continue their work in the morning, but in all those cases the radioactive decay provided only heat, with electrical power depending entirely on solar panels. (The downside there is the cost and the weight, not to mention the risk; the first attempt at a Lunokhod lander blew up on launch and scattered radioactive polonium across a wide area.) An RTG — a radioisotope thermoelectric generator — uses the heat of decaying radioactive materials to produce electricity. RTGs have been used on most of the probes heading to Jupiter and beyond, where the weak sunlight is not a viable source of power, and on a couple of Mars rovers (as made famous by The Martian). In that case, cold is no worry at all; usually in space, the problem is getting the RTG to radiate away enough energy that it won't melt!

But RTGs and similar technologies are usually not used on the moon. The costs and risks would have to be justified, and the moon just doesn't seem to do that. The moon is a long way off, but it's way, way closer than Mars or Jupiter. Astronomically speaking, it's easy to get there. It's probably more beneficial to land a probe on the moon, gather data for two weeks, and then shut it down and use what we learned to build a new probe that can do new experiments instead of repeating the same ones for months or years on end, even if they were fairly interesting experiments.

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    A couple of additional downsides of RTGs: they are expensive (because the Pu 238 fuel is getting scarce), and, they tend to be fairly heavy (because they need to be sufficiently shielded to stay intact in the event of a rocket explosion) – plasticinsect Sep 05 '23 at 21:33
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    @plasticinsect Apart from the price, don't also forget the piles of paperwork and likely even high politics needed before you can get your hands on a chunk of highly radioactive plutonium. Craigslist does have its limits (I hope). – TooTea Sep 07 '23 at 08:21
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    @TooTea Agreed. And this also feeds back into the price (because navigating regulations costs money) and the weight (because quite a bit of the weight is heavy shielding mandated by regulations). – plasticinsect Sep 07 '23 at 16:31
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    The USSR's Lunokhod rovers used radioisotope heat generators to stay warm during the lunar night. They lasted several lunar days. The downside was that they used polonium-210 as their radioactive source (lots of heat, easy to shield electronics against the alpha radiation). There was a launch accident that spread one rover's worth of Po-210 across much of the USSR. – John Dallman Sep 07 '23 at 17:00
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    @TooTea The politics don't stop with finding plutonium. Every time we try to launch a probe with an RTG, there are protests about the dangers of launching radioactive material (on the theme of "what if the rocket fails, what then?"). They can't actually stop the launch but there can be public backlash against politicians seen as "risking public safety", so there has to be a will to endure that. – Darth Pseudonym Sep 07 '23 at 22:00
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    Did you mean to write -200 F[ahrenheit] in your second paragraph? OP was talking about -200 C[elsius] which is way colder. – quarague Sep 08 '23 at 06:50
  • I didn't use the wrong unit, no. -200 F is the temperature of lunar night. – Darth Pseudonym Sep 08 '23 at 16:59
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First of all, there are possibilities to keep a (uncrewed) lunar mission alive for longer than a lunar day and they have already been used: e.g. Apollo Lunar Surface Experiments Package, which used RTGs to keep up power supply for longer time spans.

Which leads to your actual question: Why do most some end at lunar dawn? -> As you already described, it is mostly the power supply. (I said "some", because e.g. the Chinese rover Yutu survived the lunar night (partially). The Indian rover Pragyan is planned to be woken up after the night.)

So why do the (other) rovers not use a power supply that actually can survive the cold lunar night? -> Simply, it was not required.

Such power sources would take away volume and mass. You get a bigger rover, you need more mass on the moon, you have to get the mass to the moon,..., your rocket is not powerful enough. OR: You push away some science instrument to get that power supply.

On the other side: what is the benefit? Most scientific experiments are already done. And let us be honest: the science onboard is (unfortunately) just incidental. The big goal of such a mission is to generate headlines in the newspaper the next day:

[Generic Country] landed softly on the moon!

As you can guess, it is not necessary to survive longer than a couple of hours to get this. But it is a risk when making your lander/rover more complex than necessary for fulfilling this job!

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    "big goal of such a mission is to generate headlines in newspaper": although it's difficult to disprove, you are ascribing an intention to others that might not be there. Many are scientists, who would like to have a long term exploration project. – Quora Feans Sep 06 '23 at 19:30
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    I think you're editorializing to say that the goal of a rover mission is to generate headlines. For example, the stated objectives of the upcoming Canadian rover make no such claim. Although science objectives may be secondary to technology demonstrations, tech demos are still more important than the objective of just headlining. Science goals on tech demo missions are hardly "incidental": science proposals just compete for time money and resources at lower priority than the tech goals. – Wyck Sep 07 '23 at 02:24
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    I fully agree that science and technology demonstration is important but - i'm sorry I did not make this clear enough - that is not the reason why scientist and engineers are getting money for. I and my colleagues all over the word do space exploration because we are idealistic. Governments are spending money for space exploration because of: "economic promotion", "national pride", "military purposes". Space agencies hat to make the balance act and sell science and technology demonstration as one of the mention topics, while letting their employees believe, its about something bigger. – CallMeTom Sep 07 '23 at 05:34
  • “Without it, they don’t talk to us, they don’t correct their trajectory, they don’t turn the heat shield around… we gotta turn everything off. Now.” - Solar panels might delaminate, but frozen batteries will not work even if those still do. – Mazura Sep 08 '23 at 00:49