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Since the transit method of detecting exoplanets requires perfect alignment of orbits, would a Kepler-type telescope yield more exoplanet detections if sent out of our solar system even to relatively realistic interstellar distances (say, 0.1-0.5 light years)? Essentially, what I mean is changing the coordinates at which we'd do the observing.

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    By the time the telescope reaches the observation position, Earth will advance the methods of observation so far the telescope will be an entirely obsolete antique. – SF. Feb 10 '17 at 10:31
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    I'm not sure I understand the all relative velocities and angles involved, but isn't the sun moving so earth based telescope offer different coordinates over time? –  Feb 10 '17 at 16:38
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    Cross-posted from Worldbuilding. – HDE 226868 Feb 10 '17 at 22:23
  • It might make sense eventually, but we currently don't have the ability to send a telescope that far away. If we launched such a telescope today, then waited 100 years and launched another, the second one would almost certain reach its final position first because of the more advanced propulsion technology. – Keith Thompson Feb 11 '17 at 17:37

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@SF. is right. It is true that a location far from Earth could have access to different orbital planes and thus potentially see a different set of occultations an transits, you would have to move very very far away from the Earth to make any difference.

The same budget and time would be much better spent developing a next generation optical space telescope which uses mirror segments that are no longer even part of the same spacecraft, but instead are separated by tens or hundred of meters from each other but can still combine their signals (optically or otherwise) to synthesize an extremely high resolution optical aperture as big as the distance between the segments. This is the same principle used by radio telescope arrays.

With a larger effective aperture you can resolve objects farther away, which opens up a much larger volume of space for direct imaging of solar systems instead of relying on geometry for transit measurements alone. Right now only a handful of systems close to the Earth have any kind of direct imaging data.

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    OP was asking about transits... I'm not sure how your idea of high resolution at radio-wavelengths would help here? – AtmosphericPrisonEscape Feb 10 '17 at 17:06
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    I think the point here is that, for the same budget, you could switch from measuring transits to direct imaging. – John Walthour Feb 10 '17 at 17:41
  • @AtmosphericPrisonEscape I'll add the word "optical" to make it clearer. – uhoh Feb 10 '17 at 19:00
  • @JohnWalthour Yes I've added that explicitly as well, thanks! – uhoh Feb 10 '17 at 19:12
  • @uhoh "optical" doesn't refer to the exoplanet detection method. You can do optical RV, transits, direct imaging, astromentry... as well as in the IR, submm,.. That's why I was and am still confused. Direct imaging is not limited by the angular resolution you can achieve, but by coronograph technology. – AtmosphericPrisonEscape Feb 10 '17 at 21:26
  • @AtmosphericPrisonEscape ok you said "... your idea of high resolution at radio-wavelengths..." and I explained I was talking about improving resolution at optical wavelengths (order 1 micron, vis to NIR). I'm not going to break it down to exact wavelength. For Earth based telescopes direct imaging has been limited to near IR for practical reasons (see here and here, also some atmospheric absorption limits) and space would open up more options. – uhoh Feb 11 '17 at 02:50
  • @AtmosphericPrisonEscape There are advantages to going to longer wavelengths, and disadvantages, and it's a fascinating subject that needs more space. It's easier do convert signals, collect as data, and do the interferometry via computer separately, and the upper frequency limit for that technology will continue to increase in the next few decades. Lower surface figure requirements (microns rather than nanometers) allows lower weight "dishes" that can be much larger and still affordable to launch. – uhoh Feb 11 '17 at 02:59
  • @AtmosphericPrisonEscape but for any wavelength + baseline (or diameter) pair, there will be some distance beyond which a 1AU or 10AU planetary system can not be resolved due to diffraction, and coronograph technology - no matter what wavefront manipulation techniques are used, and holding a baffle (sun blocker) to sub 1 meter precision for minutes or hours over the order of 10,000 km distance is not within reach in the near future. To increase the number of observable/detectable systems, increasing baseline is a better use of a space-based effort than interstellar spacecraft. – uhoh Feb 11 '17 at 03:13
  • @AtmosphericPrisonEscape in the mean time, can you propose changes I can make to the answer that you think would make it better, or is there something there that you think is wrong that needs to be corrected? Let's handle the text of the answer, and "my thinking" separately. I'm open to improvements for both, but first please tell me what you would like to see adjusted (if anything) in the answer. Thanks! – uhoh Feb 11 '17 at 03:16
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    @uhoh This is all well and nice. My point was that OP asks about 'A', instead you answer 'B'. Creative answers are of course OK, but I didn't get the point you wanted to answer. Apart from that transits and DI are complementary techniques, one sensitive to planets at large and the other to small semi-major axis separations. I think OP's question reflects a want to overcome limitations in transits and not more besides that. – AtmosphericPrisonEscape Feb 11 '17 at 12:11
  • @AtmosphericPrisonEscape OK sorry, to double check, "A" is Keppler type telescope - photometry, and I've launched into a discussion of "B" which is imaging. So actually I could have just said "Nope", mentioned that a useful distance to intercept new planes would need a mini-breakthrough mega-starshot effort, and left it at that. Actually it might have helped if you had simply said explicitly "OP asked about Keppler-type which uses photometry and you are talking about something different using imaging, which is not related to plane changes." I didn't really catch your concern until "A vs B". – uhoh Feb 11 '17 at 12:52
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There are several problems with that idea:

  1. As mentioned by uhoh and SF, reaching a point far enough away from our solar system to make a different observation than Kepler's takes so much time, that the telescope and the data will in fact be antiquated by the time they reach that point - even IF (and that's a very very big IF) we could even manage to build it that it would still work in that distance (power source, transmission array, controlling the telescope's orientation etc.), it would be of limited use.
  2. The angle to watch would still be the same. Yes, you would be far out in space, but you would STILL only be able to detect most planets with a transit method, simply because now that you might be a little closer to the Alpha Centauri System, you would still be light years away from almost any other star and still face the same problem as you face on earth. You might detect a few different planets, due to a slightly different angle, but they wouldn't be that much different unless you consider moving hundreds of light years - which would take millions of years with our current technology.
  3. Direct detection by visual imaging with current technology is out of the question unless you get very close to a star system or the planet is sufficiently large and far away from its parent star. The limiting factor in this is, that the parent star is so bright, it outshines the reflected light of its planet by several orders of magnitude. If they are close to the parent star, the star will be too bright for them to be imaged directly (be it in microwave, IR, visual or UV range). If they are far away from their parent star, the reflected light is far too faint to be detected unless that telescope would be close to the star system observed - and then it could only detect the planets of that specific star system.
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  • "... the star will be too bright for them to be imaged directly..." That's not really a fundamental limit though. The next generation space telescopes with new coronagraph technology should allow imaging of many planetary systems currently out of reach. – uhoh Feb 10 '17 at 19:17
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Somebody else can tackle the detailed maths, but the longer your baseline, and the more observatories, the more complete the coverage. Two observatories in the same orbit as Pluto but on opposite sides of the sun would still only be 0.0012 of a light year apart. Three would be better and they would still be close enough (just) to allow for the communication necessary to allow coordinated observations necessary for parallax type measurements and comparisons. Going much further doesn't actually help since there would be no way to get the information back to Earth to be useful.

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  • The question is about detecting exoplanets around other stars. I don't think parallax can help here, a long baseline would have to be for interferometry. – uhoh Feb 10 '17 at 19:20