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This is the election system in France and Ukraine. In the first round anyone can run. If no candidate wins an absolute majority, then the top two candidates go to a second round where they face off against each other.

What are the relative disadvantages of this electoral system?

Related: What are the disadvantages of first-past-the-post electoral systems? which deals with the relative disadvantages of the other major electoral system.

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    also https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/14582/what-arguments-are-there-against-ranked-choice-voting?rq=1 on ranked choice voting – James K Apr 13 '22 at 08:20
  • @JamesK very helpful link. Thanks. The accepted answer to that question actually directed me this article on Wiki with the name of the system. I'll be reading the article in more detail. – Allure Apr 13 '22 at 08:26
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    Surely not anyone can run? Finland has a similar two-round election president, and the candidates have to be set by political parties or associations that can collect at least 20 000 supporters for their candidate. – ilkkachu Apr 13 '22 at 18:57
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    I sure went down a rabbit hole with this question. Now that James K provided the terms to search for, there's a veritable mass of voting systems (& literature for their problems) out there for me to check out. – Allure Apr 14 '22 at 08:57
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    @Allure You may want to check https://aceproject.org/ace-en/topics/es/default out – Relaxed Apr 14 '22 at 10:12
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    @ilkkachu For the French presidential election, candidates need to obtain 500 nominations by elected officials, with some conditions in the way these elected officials are spread in the country. See also this question. – Arnaud D. Apr 14 '22 at 10:58
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    Somewhat related: https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/72527/is-there-any-modeling-on-who-would-be-the-condorcet-winner-in-the-french-preside – JonathanReez Apr 15 '22 at 20:41

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In no particular order:

  • Cost. Elections cost in time and money. Having a run-off election means that you have to pay twice.
  • Not Condorcet. A candidate who would win in a head to head against every other candidate can be eliminated in round 1. Indeed this system also fails the "independence of irrelevant alternatives" criteria.
  • Voting for the least bad. In the second round, there may be one candidate supported by 40% of the electorate, and a second candidate supported by 20%, but if the 40% of voters who don't support either feel that the second candidate is marginally less awful than the first candidate, then the second candidate can be elected. Being elected for being "marginally less awful" seems a weak mandate! The candidate with the most supporters doesn't always win.
  • Tactical effects. In the first round, voters may choose to vote dishonestly or tactically to get a candidate that they perceive as having a greater chance of making the top two. Then the results of the first round can have a significant tactical effect on the second. For example a candidate may have a significant lead in round 1, so their voters don't bother to turn out in round 2.
  • Voter fatigue. "I've already voted once... Why do I need to do it again?" This can lead to low turnout in the second round, and a reduced mandate.

And, as with all democratic systems, the winner is based on popularity, and not on competence.

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    Voting for the marginally less awful candidate doesn't seem like a disadvantage specific to this type of election. Run off elections seem like a halfway house between the very common first past the post system where this is a big problem and one of the ranked voting systems where people can vote for who they think is the best candidate without worrying (much) that they are effectively voting for the candidate they dislike the most. – Eric Nolan Apr 13 '22 at 11:07
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    @EricNolan That's exactly the most serious issue with 2-round FPTP elections IMHO. It's a very expensive and time consuming way to get a half-arsed improvement over single-round FPTP elections. If you care about the issues with FPTP, why not just use a different system? And if you don't think those are problems why bother with 2 rounds? – Ben Apr 13 '22 at 11:47
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    Any actual example of low turnout in the second round? In France, for example, turnout is often higher in the run-off because the decision is very clear and that's what decides the final outcome (all features of the system). The opposite also happens but certainly not in a systematic way. If there is an effect on voter fatigue, it would be through long-term decrease of interest in elections in general. – Relaxed Apr 13 '22 at 15:52
  • @Relaxed 2017's French presidential election. 77.77% turnout on round 1, 74.56% on round 2. It was the first time it happened for a presidential election. The last 4 legislative elections, which are held after presidentials with the same system. Happens occasionally on more local elections. – AmiralPatate Apr 14 '22 at 07:31
  • @AmiralPatate I am familiar with all this, that's what “The opposite also happens but certainly not in a systematic way“ means. The claim seems to be about a more systematic effect, though, not minute differences that could go either way so I was wondering if the OP had another country in mind. Incidentally, regarding France, the most interesting fact here is how much the turnout to the parlimentary elections has decreased since the 5-year presidential term was introduced. This dwarfs any “run-off fatigue” effect. – Relaxed Apr 14 '22 at 07:57
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    @Relaxed It answers the question "Any actual example of low turnout in the second round?". I don't particularly think voter fatigue is a dominant factor in lower turnout, but I can't say it has no effect. It might be more relevant to legislatives because round 2 there would be the 4th election round in a given year. – AmiralPatate Apr 14 '22 at 08:03
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    @AmiralPatate while I concede there is a definite drop in those numbers, I'd struggle to support the idea that this demonstrates that the run-off system causes voter fatigue (at 75% turnout) when compared against FPTP as used the US presidential election which last reached 60% turn out in 1968 (61%) prior to the 2020 (62%) election. – Jontia Apr 14 '22 at 08:15
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    This answer reminded me of our presidential election in 2007: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Slovenian_presidential_election#Results The top 4 candidates were nearly tied and the eventual winner only got into the second round by a margin of 0.41%. But anyway, it still shows that the person who wins the 1st round might still be disagreeable to 2/3 of the population, so I personally still believe this is the best system. – jgosar Apr 14 '22 at 08:21
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    "The candidate with the most supporters doesn't always win." I think you are dismissing the value of a second choice. While not equal to a first choice, it still has more value than e.g. a third choice. The second round establishes the second choice for voters whose candidate was not in the top 2 (let's assume the others will vote in R2 as they did in R1). If the 40% candidate is no one else's second choice, but the other 60% of voters have the 20% candidate as their first (R1 voters) or second (R2 voters) choice, then this candidate is backed by the majority, more so than the 40% candidate. – Flater Apr 14 '22 at 08:28
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    I'm not dismissing it. A run off system (or any ranked voting system, in fact) can't distinguish between. "This candidate is great, that one is lousy" and "These two candidates are roughly equal, but that one has a crooked smile" Only a score based system can do that, but score based systems are prone to dishonest votes... No election system is perfect. – James K Apr 14 '22 at 08:35
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    I don't agree with/get your point in "voting for the least bad". Surely if 60% of voters prefer one candidate above another, then you shouldn't elect the other candidate. It shouldn't matter whether they prefer the candidate because they're "less bad" or because they "support" them (however you'd define that - voting for someone does seem to fit a reasonable definition of "support" pretty well, even if said support isn't all that enthusiastic). – NotThatGuy Apr 14 '22 at 08:37
  • @JamesK: The reason for voting (whether on looks, political stance, or anything else) is beyond the discussion - no fair voting system would require a voter's justification for their vote. It also doesn't matter. If the majority puts X over Y, regardless of why, then X wins. If some people voted for Z, but then shifted to X when Z turned out to not have a viable chance at being elected; does not somehow invalidate or infringe on their (secondary) vote for X over Y. Why original Z-voters choose X over Y in R2 is just as irrelevant as it already was for the votes in R1. – Flater Apr 14 '22 at 08:41
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    It's worth noting that having a candidate who would win any head-to-head be eliminated in the first round applies to a single-round first-past-the-post as well, so that may be a disadvantage of this system compared to other systems, but it's not a disadvantage compared to the most commonly used voting system. – NotThatGuy Apr 14 '22 at 08:42
  • @EricNolan "the ranked voting systems" covers a broad range, too, from Contingent Vote, which behaves the same as this system, to IRV, which is a "halfway house", to good voting systems like Tideman/Schulze that actually count all of the voters' preferences simultaneously instead of eliminating candidates in rounds. – endolith Apr 14 '22 at 15:38
  • There are no "good" systems, only systems with different problems. If there was a "good" system, then everybody would use it. Incidentally, Contingent Vote isn't the same, since a person can choose to abstain in the first round and vote in the second, or they can can change their mind between rounds or... – James K Apr 14 '22 at 15:52
  • @JamesK Yes, there are "good" and "bad" voting systems. You're probably thinking of Arrow/Gibbard's proofs that all voting systems are flawed, in the sense that they are either non-deterministic or suffer from incentives to vote dishonestly. However, some are still better than others in the sense of electing the candidate who best represents the will of the voters. – endolith Apr 16 '22 at 04:18
  • @JamesK We know that voter preferences are not random (ballots of Centrist > Left > Right are more common than Right > Left > Centrist, for example). When you look at realistic distributions of voter preferences, you can see that some voting systems are indeed better than others. We aren't using the good systems because of ignorance, not because of an inability to identify which ones are good. – endolith Apr 16 '22 at 04:18
  • Generally you'd expect graduation where hard-left has soft-left as second choice, centre-right might have far-right as an alternative, etc, but in France a significant number of people seem willing to switch from far left to far right when the alternative is an establishment centrist (certainly in 2017, and possibly this time too). – Stuart F Apr 19 '22 at 16:14
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    Voting for the least bad and Tactical effects happen also in single round elections. They are not specific to the two rounds election. Voter fatigue negligible, voters who don't show up for the second round simply think neither of the two winners of the first round is worth their vote. – FluidCode Apr 20 '22 at 15:08
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    Yes yes yes. Some of these disadvantages also affect other systems. I know. But the fact that they are also a disadvantage for system X does not mean that they are also a disadvantage for two round run off voting. The question does not ask for "disadvantages that are unique to two round run-off" – James K Apr 20 '22 at 15:13
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    While it's not asking for unique disadvantages, the question does specify FPTP as "the other major electoral system" and asks for "relative disadvantages". As such I agree with @FluidCode that it would be better to at least distinguish which of the disadvantages listed are not also present in FPTP. – Jontia Apr 22 '22 at 08:14
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The main problem is that it uses a single-mark ballot, so that voters can only express an opinion about one candidate.

In a two-candidate general election, this is fine, but in a multi-candidate election, it results in vote-splitting and unrepresentative winners.

Imagine an election in which there are dozens of very good, representative candidates, and two unrepresentative extremists on opposite ends of the spectrum. The majority of voters prefer the representative candidates, but which one? Their votes are split between them, and each only gets a small fraction of the vote. The unrepresentative extremists, on the other hand, are unique, and have no nearby competitors in the ideological space, so they get solid pluralities of the vote, and advance to the next round.

In this round, one of those two remaining candidates will get "majority support", but this is an illusion created by eliminating everyone else. Any of the representative candidates would have received a majority of support over one of the two extremists, but they aren't in the race anymore because of vote-splitting.

Here is an illustration on a one-dimensional political spectrum:

A bell curve political spectrum is colored by voter preference, with orange and green candidates as left and right extremists, and red, blue and yellow as moderates who lose because of vote-splitting

Red, Blue, and Yellow are good representatives of the voters, but votes are split between them, leaving Orange and Green to get the most votes and proceed as finalists to the runoff. Green, an unrepresentative extremist, will win the election, despite Blue being preferred over Green by 70% of voters. (Here's a 2D version.)

This same vote-splitting problem also affects every other voting system that only counts first preferences in rounds, such as FPTP, exhaustive ballot, supplementary vote, contingent vote, and instant-runoff voting (called "ranked choice voting" in the US, or "alternative vote" in the UK).

A much better solution is an approval voting primary, like the one adopted in St Louis recently. Voters can select as many candidates as they approve of, which makes this vote-splitting much less likely.

Alternatively, a system that considers all voters' preferences simultaneously can be used to eliminate the primary altogether, such as a Condorcet ranked-choice system or STAR voting.

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This method fails the monotonicity criterion. This disadvantage is somewhat technical in nature, and it's hard to prove that nonmonotonic behavior occurred if you have two rounds rather than an ordinal ballot, but it is a weird and arguably undesirable property.

Intuitively, this means that rating a candidate higher can cause that candidate to lose.

A voting method satisfies the monotonicity if the following property holds. In order to define it, I need a few other definitions first. Note that we can define this property without talking about agents/rational actors at all; it can be defined using just collections of ballots.

In order to define this property, I'll introduce the nonstandard notion of X-superiority.

Let A and B be ballots. Let X be a candidate. A is X-superior to B if and only if, for all pairs of distinct candidates (Y, Z), A and B have the same ranking of Y, Z when neither Y nor Z is X, and for any pairwise comparison involving X, A ranks X higher than B does or A and B have the same ranking.

Following Wikipedia's example, X > Z > Y is X-superior to Z > X > Y, but X > Y > Z is NOT X-superior to Z > X > Y because the order of Y and Z is reversed.

Let A and B be I-indexed sets of ballots. A is X-superior to B if and only if, for all i in I, it holds that A[i] is X-superior to B[i].

A voting method fails the monotonicity criterion if and only if, there exist I-indexed sets of ballots C and D such that the candidate X wins in C, the candidate X does not win in D and D is X-superior to C.

Here's the nonmonotonicity example from Wikipedia with an explanation.

C > B > A   28
C > A > B    5
A > B > C   30
A > C > B    5
B > A > C   16
B > C > A   16

In this election, B is eliminated first and A wins in the next round.

Next consider the election below

C > B > A   28
C > A > B    3
A > B > C   30
A > C > B    7
B > A > C   16
B > C > A   16

Now, C is eliminated first and B subsequently wins.

Two C > A > B were shifted to A > C > B ballots in this example, increasing candidate A's votes, and that caused candidate A to lose.

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    This effect can be summarized as one of the 'Tactical effects' from the accepted answer. If a candidate is projected to make it to the second round with certainty ('A' in this example), then it becomes advantageous for remaining voters to switch their first round votes to the candidate that they feel would be easiest to defeat. – Brady Gilg Apr 14 '22 at 19:01
  • @BradyGilg that isn't what happened in the example though. Votes were actually move to the candidate certain to make the 2nd round. Who then lost. This feels like an edge case that would be impossible to produce in real life though because it requires similar size vote piles for most combinations of candidates. – Jontia Apr 15 '22 at 06:25
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    @Jontia The situations are mathematically equivalent. 'Moving votes to A -> A loses' and 'moving votes away from A -> A wins' are identical, it's only a difference in your perspective. – Brady Gilg Apr 15 '22 at 16:15
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The main drawback has already been mentioned (but not emphasized enough in my opinion): It costs a lot to organise two rounds of voting for every election. That's also what you will find in guidance from international organisations.

The other objections are mostly theoretical and hard to support empirically. For example, it does not seem obvious at all that countries with a two-round system have a much higher level of voter fatigue or non-voting than others, in general.

The advantages of a two-round system over a simple first-past-the-post system should not be underestimated. Being able to vote for the least bad choice while keeping the system transparent and simple to understand for the voters is a feature not a bug. Ranked voting systems fail in that respect and even if their proponents tend to dismiss this as a non-issue, it is in fact an important trade-off.

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    'guidance from international organisations' where can I find this guidance? – Jontia Apr 13 '22 at 19:06
  • @Jontia UNDP provides a short overview of their work and partners in this area. All these organisations have published guidance on electoral system design so that's a good starting point. – Relaxed Apr 13 '22 at 19:32
  • Unfortunately, I don't remember exactly where I read this particular advice, that's why I didn't offer a specific reference. For examples of publications expressing some skepticism of two-round systems you can see https://aceproject.org/main/english/es/esd04b.htm or https://dppa.un.org/sites/default/files/ead_pd_un_support_to_electoral_system_design_and_reform_20130917_e.pdf (but I just found them through Google). – Relaxed Apr 13 '22 at 19:34
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    It seems odd that you dismiss certain concerns as being "theoretical", but include no sources or data to back up your own claims. Is there any evidence besides your personal opinion that voters are confused by ranked voting and not fptp? – Sriotchilism O'Zaic Apr 14 '22 at 01:43
  • @SriotchilismO'Zaic I don't think there is much doubt or argument about it, even proponents concede it. But I didn't write that voters were confused, I mean more than this. In the French two-round system, results for a given polling place are tallied by any voter who volunteers during the day, in public, in ~30 minutes/1 hour, immediately after the polling place closes, without ever leaving the sight of anybody who cares to be there. That is simply not feasible with, e.g., STV, that's not how these systems work in practice. – Relaxed Apr 14 '22 at 05:47
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    I also think there is an inherent complexity and risk of confusion regarding the ballot itself, which is often noted as requiring a higher level of literacy and numeracy to be used effectively but that wasn't my point. – Relaxed Apr 14 '22 at 05:59
  • @Relaxed confusion can be added to any system. – Jontia Apr 14 '22 at 09:09
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    People who like FPTP like to claim that ranked systems are confusing. People who actually use those systems don't seem to be confused. The apparent simplicity of FPTP is shown to be misleading in elections where dark red is telling potential voters that a vote for light red or yellow is really a vote for blue. – Eric Nolan Apr 14 '22 at 09:19
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    @EricNolan Again, the main claim is not that voters are "confused" (although I would be curious to know what makes you think most people "don't seem to be"). What I explained is that the counting process is inherently more complicated. I don't see the relevance of your dark red, yellow, blue example and all the usual social choice considerations to this simple point. And I don't particularly like FPTP, quite the opposite, I much prefer a two-round systems or simply some form of list PR. But if you really want to elect a single person to an office, I don't think ranking systems are a panacea. – Relaxed Apr 14 '22 at 09:54
  • @Jontia Sure but is that a reason not to care about it? – Relaxed Apr 14 '22 at 09:56
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    @EricNolan To retirate my earlier comment and hopefully make all this clearer: Do you any ranking system where the counting is done at the polling place, by any voter, without prior training? In France, a group of 4 voters will count 100-300 ballots in an hour, with the connection between what's on the ballot and the final tally immediately visible to all. It's then aggregated with similar counts from other groups of 4 voters present in the same room, publicly displayed at the town hall, in newspapers and now on a website. That's the simplicity and transparency I am talking about. – Relaxed Apr 14 '22 at 10:07
  • @Relaxed I'm just not convinced it's significant. That simplicity and transparency can be put in place if desired, just count first preference to start and only worry about lower preferences as they become an issue. Your 4 counters just move the votes into buckets as required. Yes it might take longer, but the process is generally only complicated because the process calls for just looking at each ballot once and then being able to solve the result in one shot for efficiency. If you sort, count and repeat it's no more complicated than now. – Jontia Apr 14 '22 at 10:24
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    Eric's point is that the apparent simplicity of FPTP hides the idea that all the sorting, and re-voting calculations are moved to the voter as they apply local tactics, rather than the counter in STV when voters can just be honest. And of course this only applies to STV or Instant Runoff, not the two ballot system in the original question. So maybe we're straying a bit off target. – Jontia Apr 14 '22 at 10:29
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    @Jontia This introduces extra steps, buckets, that's complexity right there, I am not even sure I fully understand how this would work in practice. What do you mean with worrying about lower preferences as they become an issue? If there is no winner in the current batch of 100? In the 800 or so at the your polling place? How do you aggregate the results between different polling places? – Relaxed Apr 14 '22 at 11:05
  • @Jontia I think that's a similar point to the one I alluded to in the last sentence. Don't worry about understanding the system or how votes are counted, just be “honest” and the system will take care of respecting your preferences. I acknowledged that point but there is a trade-off here and, personnally, I don't think depriving the voters from these choices is particularly attractive. – Relaxed Apr 14 '22 at 11:11
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    I'm not sure what you mean by "depriving the voters from these choices". The choice of simplicity? The choice to join in the counting? – Jontia Apr 14 '22 at 11:47
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    @Relaxed This is the issue of summability. Most ranked systems can be summed by sending 2D tables of sums (instead of 1D tallies) to the central counting location, but others (like the instant-runoff voting popular in the US) cannot even be sent that way. – endolith Apr 14 '22 at 15:49
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This is a variation of STV, except instead of Instant Runoff, it's Separate Election Runoff, and votes gets transferred only once. As such, many of the advantages and disadvantages are similar to that of STV. Perhaps the most infamous case of this was when Louisiana had a runoff between Edwin Edwards, who was widely considered corrupt, and David Duke, a former KKK grand wizard, leading to the bumper sticker slogan "Vote for the crook: It's important."

As James K said, inclusion on the next round depends only on first-place preferences, and ignores lower preferences. So you could theoretically have a candidate that is ranked as first or second place preference by all the voters, but doesn't make it to the runoff. Thus, candidates who appeal to a broad base, but only moderately, can be at a disadvantage to candidates who are strongly supported by a minority. For instance, suppose one candidate is running on a platform of tax breaks for Republicans, one on tax breaks for Democrats, and one on no partisan-based tax breaks. If there's broad support for no tax breaks, but everyone mildly supports tax breaks for their side over no tax breaks, while strongly opposing tax breaks for the other side, then the runoff will be between the two tax breaks candidates, even though almost everyone supports the "no tax breaks for anyone" compromise.

And with a large field, a candidate needs only a few people to have that candidate as their top choice to get into the runoff, and voting blocs getting their preferred candidate largely comes down to which ones can build coalitions and coalesce around single candidates.

Another issue is that this can result in both candidates being from the same party. This can be an advantage or disadvantage depending on one's point of view. On the one hand, if most people support one party, then arguably it makes more sense for the voters to choose between candidates in that party than to have an election with a foregone conclusion. On the other hand, this can make people in the minority party feel disenfranchised. Moreover, depending on how the votes are split, it's possible for both of the final candidates to be from the minority party.

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James K gave a good answer, but I would add one more issue:

The system is subject to gaming by organized factions or parties using stalking-horse candidates.

It is possible, under this system, for a clever and organized group to introduce candidates who appear to be members of ethnic or class voting blocs, or who campaign on slightly altered variations of a given ideology, in order to split the vote from those groups and influence who the top two final candidates are. In first-past-the-post systems, you can't afford to do this, because it might lead to a first-place finisher from outside your faction winning the race outright with a very small percentage of the vote. But in multi-round voting this can be an effective strategy.

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    Any stalking horse strategy that works to influence who the top two finishers are should be even more effective at locking down the top 1. If you can split off Red voters into light red/dark red then that's even more effective for blue if the election is FPTP than if it is subject to a run-off where light-red and dark-red can come back together. You absolutely can afford this in a FPTP election, because the point is not to split your vote at all. – Jontia Apr 13 '22 at 14:53
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    To add to that, we had a famous one, where Republicans recruited a "legalize Weed" candidate to run for congress to split the Democratic vote. The trick works just fine, now. https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-angie-craig-minnesota-minneapolis-marijuana-bde1a2cd45496b88e925641972d5c7b2 – Owen Reynolds Apr 14 '22 at 00:58
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Here is an example: in a 3-candidate election there is a centrist candidate that everybody could live with but is not a popular first choice (as it is often the case). Not having many first choices the centrist candidate gets eliminated on the first round. The run-off is among two extremists, both supported by a minority, so more than half of the population gets stuck with an extremist they really dislike.

From a theoretical point of view, IRV has all problems that STV has, only worse. This question has an answer that is a good analysis that focuses on a three-candidate election, which is a case where IRV and STV are in theory equivalent (you don't call to the polls twice in IRV and eliminated candidates don't have the time to endorse the runner-ups but mathematically it's the same).

IRV is coarser than STV, because it discards all 1st round results except who are the first two candidates. As such, it suffers more from random-like effects on the performance of the losing candidates and is more prone to the spoiler effect.

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    Isn't that how it works now, in US single-round plurality elections? With a 2nd round at least the centrist voters have a chance to revote. – Owen Reynolds Apr 14 '22 at 01:13
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    There are a lot of voting systems. US-style first-past-the-post is arguably the worse of them all (to its defense, it predates most modern theory on the matter), and so is also worse than IRV. It's about the only "serious" voting system that is worse than IRV though. – Rad80 Apr 15 '22 at 15:52
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    @Rad80 Top-two runoff, supplementary vote and contingent vote are worse than IRV, and used in the real world. I think it's important to mention them as a sort of progression for all these people who think that FPTP and "RCV" are the only two options. – endolith Apr 16 '22 at 04:23
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@Acccumulation's last paragraph approaches what is IMO the most important flaw, but understates the problem.

Imagine a country which is 45% blue-ish and 55% reddish, but where the blue parties are more united so there's two blue candidates and five red candidates. Unless one of the red candidates does much better than the others, the runoff will be between the blues so blue would win. If you instead had a full runoff system (instant, or as many rounds of voting as it took) you would expect most of the red votes to accumulate on the remaining red candidate (some light reds might prefer light blue to dark red), so the final round would be red versus blue and red would win.

Sure, it's better than FPTP, but the extra cost and time would be way more than enough to do IRV.

(You could say "why don't the red parties unite?" but that just gets back to the main problem of FPTP, and, bringing it down to real politics, there's a lot more room for disagreement among those who want the state to do more than there is among those who want it to do less.)

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    Note that the instant-runoff system still suffers from the same flaw, just to a lesser extent. It handles two groups of identical clone candidates fine, but can't handle 3 or more strong candidates with differing ideologies. – endolith Apr 14 '22 at 15:29
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    +1, but agree with endolith. The problem you describe is very real, but IRV does not address it meaningfully better. Your scenario exactly demonstrates how IRV encourages two party duopoly. Sure fringe parties are welcome to participate, but the pressures at play create 2 major parties on opposing sides of a political spectrum, while remaining hostile to centrists (who cannot make it past the early elimination rounds) – eclipz905 Apr 14 '22 at 17:08