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In Sakurai's Modern Quantum Mechanics I saw the author takes commutation of two infinitesimal 3D rotation matrices. He also claims that the Hilbert space rotation operators should satisfy the same commutation relation.

  1. What does it mean to subtract two elements in the representation of a group, namely, lets say $R(ε)$ to be infinitesimal matrix by infinitesimal angle $ε$ then what does $$ R_x(ε)R_y(ε) - R_y(ε)R_x(ε) = R_z(ε^2)-1 $$ mean? How can we subtract rotations from each other because rotations form a group in which multiplication operation is defined (applying rotations consecutively). But we do not have any addition operation in rotation group, so how do we have such an operation in the representation of the group and what does it mean such things like the infinitesimal rotation commutations are related to second order infinitesimal rotations around some other axis.

  2. He also claims that the Hilbert space rotation operators should satisfy the same commutation relation. How can he be sure about this statement

baba61
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  • Keep reading, especially sections 3.1.3 & 3.1.4, to the end of the chapter, which would summarize the group theory for you, once you have familiarity with the matrix operations which are then abstracted. This is how you would have discovered Lie groups had nobody known about them.... This is not a mathematical top-down introduction of Lie groups. It is an intuitive bottom-up approach... – Cosmas Zachos Aug 01 '22 at 16:39
  • Thank you for your suggestion. I have already studied sections 3.1, 3.2, and 3.3 yet I could not find an answer to my question. I don't see how the sections other than 3.1, 3.2, 3.3 are going to help to me with this question. In my current point of view I understand (I have an intuition about) why finite rotations do not commute and why infinitesimal rotations commute up to O($\epsilon$). But I really do not see the answer to even my first question right now. – baba61 Aug 01 '22 at 17:03
  • I address your issue in my answer. If you know about groups, you can read about the group commutator, which the authors approximate with the algebra commutator at the matrix level. The neat trick is they demonstrate by explicit calculation of trivial matrices that, in the next order, $\epsilon^2$, the entire Lie algebraic structure is already fixed! An astounding pedagogical trick! – Cosmas Zachos Aug 01 '22 at 20:03

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You appear to know a bit more about the rotation group than the authors assume: They start from basic infinitesimal rotations in three dimensions, standard orthogonal matrices, and steer you in unravelling their Lie group structure in elementary terms.

  • Remember, the group commutator involves only multiplications/inversions, but the algebra commutator involves those and also additions/subtractions.

A Lie group sophisticate understands, instead, $$ R_y(\epsilon)= e^{\epsilon L_y}= {\mathbb I} + \epsilon L_y + O(\epsilon^2), \\ L_y\equiv \begin{pmatrix} 0&0& 1 \\ 0&0&0\\ -1&0&0 \\ \end{pmatrix}= -L_y^T, $$ etc, for the other two directions. So a rotation, a group element, is the identity plus a generator, plus smaller higher order terms.

The group commutator of two group elements, $R_x(\epsilon), R_y(\epsilon)$, then, is defined as the succession of rotations, so a group element, $$ R^{-1}_x(\epsilon)R^{-1}_y(\epsilon)R_x(\epsilon)R_y(\epsilon)\\ \approx ({\mathbb I} - \epsilon L_x +...)({\mathbb I} - \epsilon L_y +...)({\mathbb I} + \epsilon L_x +...)({\mathbb I} + \epsilon L_y +...)\\ \approx ({\mathbb I} - \epsilon L_x - \epsilon L_y +\epsilon^2[L_x,L_y]/2+...)({\mathbb I} + \epsilon L_x +\epsilon L_y +\epsilon^2[L_x,L_y]/2+...)\\ ={\mathbb I}+\epsilon^2 [L_x,L_y] + O(\epsilon^3) \approx R_z(\epsilon^2) \\ \approx {\mathbb I}+ R_x(\epsilon)R_y(\epsilon)-R_y(\epsilon)R_x(\epsilon) . $$ N.B. Recall the CBH expansion, $e^{\epsilon L_x}e^{\epsilon L_y}= e^{\epsilon L_x+\epsilon L_y+\epsilon^2 [L_x,L_y]/2+...}$. So, to $O(\epsilon^2)$, the group commutator reduces to the identity, corrected to a smaller rotation at $\epsilon^2$.

  • At order $\epsilon^2$, infinitesimal rotations reconstruct the Lie algebra of generators, (3.9), $$[R_x(\epsilon)-{\mathbb I}, R_y(\epsilon)-{\mathbb I}]= R_z(\epsilon^2)-{\mathbb I} ~\leadsto ~ [L_x,L_y]=L_z.$$

That is, the authors introduce the Lie algebra commutator without explicitly introducing the Lie algebra, or its exponential, merely through infinitesimal rotation sequences, and addition of group elements (!) approximating the well-defined group commutator. The addition is a feature of the algebra, not the group, but is well defined for matrices, as utilized here. Neat, huh?

Reading on will connect you to this underlying Lie algebra.

If you already appreciate the magic of the Lie structure, the book's illustration is reassuring or distracting overkill; but if you don't, it is as good as a bona-fide seat-of-the pants introduction, quite sly for an introductory physics text―the hallmark of JunJohn S.

Once you have appreciated this underlying group theory, the text eases you into the most general representations suitable to your Hilbert space, all subject to the same Lie algebraic, and thus Lie group symmetry constraints! The combinatorics involved here in the CBH expansion are identical to those in every and any representation.

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  • You are a great explainer. Thank you for your help. My confusion was coming from that I have not studied group theory -from a book-, yet. I just know some parts. What I understand is as follows, our group is such a group by definition that "Group commutator of $R_x(\epsilon)$ and $R_y(\epsilon)$ is equal to $R_z($\epsilon^2$)$ -up to O(\epsilon ^2)". This is what we see in geometrical rotations and we defined our group in such a way -it is like an axiom. Then using a specific representation and this axiom ( about group commutator) we end up with commutation of the generators (the Lie algebra). – baba61 Aug 03 '22 at 13:20
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    Yes, indeed; So the textbook's stratagem was pitched to you, after all! – Cosmas Zachos Aug 03 '22 at 14:05
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A group representation is, by definition, a homomorphism from the group into the group of linear operators on some vector space $V$. In less technical terms, a representation is a way of writing the group as matrices acting on some vector space, with the product operation being given by the usual matrix multiplication.

However, matrices always admit addition and subtraction. Hence, in the representation you do happen to have a natural notion of addition and subtraction. In the abstract group, this wouldn't be possible, but it is in the representation because it has extra structure.

It is also worth pointing out that he is adding and subtracting infinitesimal rotations. While that might seem innocent, it means he isn't really working with the group elements. Instead, he is working with something known as the Lie algebra associated to the group. The Lie algebra is, intuitively, formed by infinitesimal elements of the group and it does have a vector space structure, so one can add and subtract elements of the Lie algebra. I'm not sure if Sakurai uses these sorts of construction explicitly in his text, but I'm mentioning it in here for completeness. A good introduction to these themes is A. Zee's Group Theory in a Nutshell for Physicists.

As for your second question, notice the Hilbert space is a vector space, so the rotation operators are actually just a representation of the group. If they were not a representation, you could hardly call them "rotation": rotations are defined as elements of the rotation group, so the rotation operators must be implementing the notions of that group in the Hilbert space. Now, the result Sakurai obtained for the commutator of infinitesimal rotations holds for any representation, so it holds in particular for the representation you're using in the Hilbert space.

  • In Sakurai's (otherwise excellent physics book) the maths is handwaving at its best. Thank you for delivering some level of rigor. P.S. Zee's tome is garbage. A lot clearer things are in Wu Ki Tung's old text. – DanielC Aug 01 '22 at 17:29
  • @DanielC It was my pleasure! I don't really know Tung's book, but thank you for the suggestion! I think it might be good to register in here as well that there is a post on books for group theory (both Tung's and Zee's are in there, with some additional comments on the style of each). – Níckolas Alves Aug 01 '22 at 17:39