10

I believe the 3 main options for portable GPS currently are:

  1. Dedicated GPS unit
  2. Smart Phone
  3. GPS Watch

They all have somethings in common, and each have other considerations also. For this question, if my only concerns are GPS and battery life. Out of the box and/or with available modifications, what are my best options for battery life per dollar?

Related: What are some ways/devices that I can use to charge my batteries in the wilderness?

Charlie Brumbaugh
  • 69,253
  • 35
  • 217
  • 423
James Jenkins
  • 30,349
  • 24
  • 106
  • 242
  • 5
    dedicated unit using standard AA batteries, with enough spares. – njzk2 Sep 21 '16 at 18:28
  • 4
    How do you intend to use it? Are you recording tracks or just confirming your location at regular intervals? – requiem Sep 21 '16 at 21:38
  • 2
    @requiem's question is important, because if you're not continuously tracking your position, you can simply turn the unit off. Then your battery life is extremely long. –  Sep 21 '16 at 22:52
  • A 4th (or 5th if you include cameras) option would be a satellite communicator such as the DeLorme inReach models, which can also contact SAR if the SHTF. I had fun confirming my location every so often on a recent off trail adventure. – topshot Sep 22 '16 at 01:45
  • @requiem Unless there is one type that you can't turn off what does it matter? Bens comment suggest it is because you can turn them off, If you have 2 units one with 10 hours battery life and the other with 20 hours battery life, you turn them both of when not checking the one with twice the battery life is still going to last twice as long (all things being equal) – James Jenkins Sep 22 '16 at 09:32
  • @JamesJenkins Because if you only turn on the GPS receiver when you really need it, you might well go a week while switching it on only twice. – gerrit Sep 22 '16 at 13:35
  • @JamesJenkins There is one type not listed: the GPS logger. As these could run for 12 hours on a single AA, the battery efficiency may be similar or better than a dedicated unit. OTOH, if I can use my existing phone on a 5 or 10 day trip and that saves me the purchase of a dedicated unit, the cost is less. – requiem Sep 22 '16 at 16:22
  • @requiem I was thinking for confirming location on the trail, with the option of marking way points as needed. From my understanding of the GPS Logger, a secondary device is required to provide meaningful information to the user. – James Jenkins Sep 22 '16 at 16:57

3 Answers3

12

From your three options, a Dedicated GPS unit is going to be your best bet.

Smart Phones barely last a day. If you're out of coverage, the phone will keep searching for network and battery will die as quick as a cat fight. Of course you can use the airplane mode but we all know how long they last.

GPS watches do last a long time. It will vary a bit from brand/model to brand/model. I picked randomly 4 Garmin ones and I got from

  • 1 year for the simplest one
  • up to 3 weeks (watch mode) / up to 8 hours (GPS mode) for the mid range one
  • Up to 50 hours (GPS mode) / 2 weeks (sensor mode) / 5 weeks (watch mode) to the top model.

So you could make usage of a full on all features on for to long.

A dedicated GPS unit / handheld device picking 4 randomly similar low, mid and top range, all work on AA batteries and last for 25 hours (besides the top range that comes with a removable, rechargeable lithium-ion battery pack and last for 14 hours.) But even lasting less than the watches you can easily carry another few batteries. Lasting 25 hours, you could easily have it on for a your whole walk (8 hour / day) for 3 days.

I believe the trend is to build a device to suit a specific need. The watches are good for short trips running while GPS devices are more long trips.

As a side note. I bought one of those portable solar panels (Go Zero, I don't remember the model) to try to recharge things. I think it was a waste of money. On a long hunting trip (a week) I tried to use it and it was cloudy most of the days. I tried to charge a couple of batteries without success.

IMO as biggest and greatest the techs are nowadays I would only trust on batteries for my head-torches and electronic devices :)

Desorder
  • 2,338
  • 13
  • 15
  • I have a Go Zero Nomad, I love it, but you definitely need sun. I can charge my devices fast with a clear sky, but just make sure your device isn't in the sun as well, keep it away from the panel in the shade of something. – ShemSeger Sep 21 '16 at 21:06
  • Yeah. I've got this one (http://www.goalzero.com/p/195/goal-zero-switch-8-nomad-3-5-kit) here but haven't been successful making most of it. – Desorder Sep 21 '16 at 21:23
  • 3
    the airplane mode but we all know how long they last. about 14 days, here. But that means not using it as a GPS, too. – njzk2 Sep 21 '16 at 22:03
  • Can you make it 14 days with your phone? That's pretty good. What phone do you have out of curiosity? First I need to clarify that I use IPhones. Not in favor or against the others I just like the syncing ability with my mac and IPad and stuff. Second we are talking about reasonable smart phones. I'm sure we can get one of those phones with minimal features and they will last way longer. That said, there are two things here. One is that one gets a phone and disable two thirds of the features to save battery. I personally this is silly. One is killing the idea of having a phone with those feats – Desorder Sep 21 '16 at 22:32
  • Two is that turning on all feats for the phone will kill battery very quickly. Question is about battery life for outdoor activities (I assume at least) and turning GPS off to save battery contradicts the idea of using the device for outdoors. – Desorder Sep 21 '16 at 22:34
  • As I show in my post, properly set up and used, phones can last ten days for on-trail GPS navigation against the one day that you suggest. On the lowest tracking rate, the top-end watches last 40-50 hours. I don't think it's as cut-and-dried as you are suggesting. For the cost of a high-end GPS you can buy a rugged phone that is much more flexible and offers a much better screen, so a dedicated GPS would not be my choice in most scenarios. – Tullochgorum Sep 22 '16 at 08:53
  • If you replace regular AA batteries with non-rechargeable Lithium batteries, you can easily triple the battery life. I just came back from a 17-day trip and each pair of two batteries lasted around a week. – gerrit Sep 22 '16 at 13:33
  • That looks a lot like mine, once you get it figured out you'll like it. My biggest thing is just remembering to be conscious of it. What I sometimes do is also carry battery backups, and charge those during the day, then use the batteries to charge my devices at night. – ShemSeger Sep 22 '16 at 15:53
  • @Tullochgorum I was talking about a GPS out of the box turned on for 8 hours a day using normal batteries. If we go down to details, as gerrit said, change for those Ultimate Lithium batteries and you will have days until you need to replace them. I don't use my GPS much, even posted a question here if there was something I could do to use it more often but I'm still using the same batteries as when I got it 4 years ago. – Desorder Sep 22 '16 at 20:05
  • This answer and discussion was very informative, but would you consider editing the GPS watch paragraph? Maybe just me but I had a hard time parsing all the parentheses there. – user812786 Sep 26 '16 at 15:45
  • Sorry. The data was disposed in a table format. I will edit it for a better visualisation – Desorder Sep 26 '16 at 20:10
  • What is that watch that last 50 hours in gps mode? – Some wandering yeti Sep 27 '16 at 21:16
  • Hey @ptityeti. Sorry. I tried to find for you but as I chose them randomly I was unable to find it again. I'm thinking I might have typed wrongly. I will have another look and correct the data. – Desorder Oct 02 '16 at 23:59
  • "1 year for the simplest one"... I assume that means no GPS? That bullet-point does not specify what it is talking about and so is confusing. – Loduwijk Jul 09 '18 at 17:27
5

Stretch target: 10 days of GPS between charging points with minimal additional weight

I'm planning some long on-trail thru-hikes where digital mapping would be much lighter and more practical. But I'll be up to 10 days between charging points in climates where I can't rely on sun. Can this be done?

This is doable for navigation using a phone or a dedicated GPS

Given the many advantages of smartphones over a dedicated GPS, a lot of people have been researching the ins and outs of keeping them going on the trail.

The best source I've found is this comprehensive article by Alan Dixon, the co-founder of Backpacking Light and an actual rocket scientist! Alan and his friends have established protocols that keep a modern phone operational for 5-10 days between charges. To achieve this, you'll be setting up the phone carefully to minimise drain and activating the GPS manually to take bearings as needed. A number of other bloggers confirm that this is doable.

This is similar to the battery life reported by GPS users who only take bearings on an as-needed basis.

For on-trail work I would plan to supplement this with route cards, and by printing out sections of maps for any particularly tricky sections or exit routes. On a trail, this should be fine.

As insurance, most people seem to carry a 6000mAh external battery. This should give you another couple of charges and can be topped up pretty quickly when you hit civilisation, especially if you use one of the fast-charging options. At least one well-known thru-hiker takes a second phone for additional safety, and this would give additional usage time if things go wrong.

For serious off-trail work I personally would be taking maps and using GPS mainly for confirming location. There are some shortcuts that simply aren't worth taking.

For tracking you'll need a dedicated device like an InReach

If you plan to be days between charging points, you can forget about tracking with your phone. Users report battery depletion at around 5% per hour. You're going to have to carry a huge external battery that takes many hours to recharge in every trail town. No-one seems to think that this is practical. Dedicated GPS won't last much longer.

But it should be doable with a dedicated tracker such as an InReach, which is optimised for precisely this requirement. It has a phone-sized battery that lasts up to 100 hours.

If you have the budget, a watch would be a useful supplement

At the time of writing, the top end Garmins and Suuntos claim 40-50 hours of battery life at the slowest update rates, and they only require around 300mAh to recharge. So keeping them going is practical with a small external battery.

Of course they won't give you mapping, so they aren't a stand-alone solution. But they would greatly reduce the need to fire up your big phone or GPS during the typical day. They offer a lightweight altimeter, and their ability to sound an alarm if you drift off route is very attractive. They would be part of my ideal solution.

Hope this is helpful!

Tullochgorum
  • 11,741
  • 1
  • 47
  • 58
  • 1
    10 days in the outdoors with no contact with civilization requires quite a bit of gear depending on the location. A normal pack would be roughly 10 to 15kg alone, When you add food for 10 days, it can quickly reach the 25kg. If one top up with batteries, chargers, extra phones one will be carrying +30kg pack. I just though we should observe some of those "non-functional requirements" – Desorder Sep 22 '16 at 01:07
  • 5% depletion rate per hour (phone) sounds high. However, you provide no information as to the conditions under which this was tested/used (e.g. type of equipment, GPS location update rate, other functions active, SW setup to manage power, within cell reception range (if so how close is the tower), how easy did they make it to locate satellites (i.e. time spent searching), etc.). Thus, there is no way to even begin to make a comparison. – Makyen Sep 22 '16 at 01:10
  • @Makyen - I'm summarising or the post would have been even longer. The 5% comes from Alan Dixon and his group in the quoted article - and they've done a lot of work on this with both iOS and Android. I've seen other writers quote similar figures. It would give you 2 days walking ten hours a day - I find it hard to imagine that people get more than this. Given the context of wilderness travel, we can assume an optimised phone with a low update rate, no towers in reach and cell reception turned off. – Tullochgorum Sep 22 '16 at 08:46
  • @Desorder - no need for 10-15 kilo base weights these days. My base weight is 4-5 kilos depending on the conditions, and I'm not cutting corners safety-wise. It does take an investment of time and cash to reach those levels though. With calorie dense food you can assume 0.8 kilos a day . So for 10 days I'm looking at 12-13 kilos (excluding water) which is workable. – Tullochgorum Sep 22 '16 at 09:03
  • 1
    Problem with highly optimised phone is one slip up driving it and you have a highly un-optimsed phone and flat battery. A dedicated GPS carries a larger antenna, making GPS reception possible in places like deep canyons and under thick canopy that a phone or watch has not hope. –  Sep 22 '16 at 09:07
  • 1
    @mattnz - sure, you'd have to be careful. That's why people carry a couple of extra charges in case of slip-ups. I mainly walk above the treeline so a phone works for me, but I agree that in canyons or thick canopy a dedicated would probably work better. Alternatively, you can upgrade your smartphone GPS with a dongle such as the Garmin or Bad Elf. – Tullochgorum Sep 22 '16 at 10:46
  • I uave used a dedicated GPS for more than a week long trekking succesfully several times. Logging the position all the way 1 set of AA for Garmin etrex Venture Cx lasts more than 2 days. Just bring spares. If you don't log every move, you will save a lot. – Vladimir F Героям слава Oct 04 '16 at 20:22
  • @Desorder A 20000mAh battery pack weighs about 350g. Phones about 150g. Chargers less than that. 5+kg seems to be a rather high estimate. Even assuming a charge only lasts a day, 20000mAh would give you 5 charges, so 1kg would more than cover the entire 10 days. Though, the extra volume might be an issue, and if you really want to save weight the dedicated unit + batteries is probably still a bit lighter. – Bob Oct 13 '16 at 06:51
  • Sorry @Bob, you're right I'm over estimating the weights here. I usually do it as if I estimate my pack to 30kg and turners up to be only 25kg I'm winning. It might be a mind things. :) Although, we pack a phone (150g) and a lil solar panel (500g) and a couple of power banks (300g) cables and stuff that's almost a kg itself. Some people could end packing another that odd IPod for music and then another cable. That quickly adds up. – Desorder Oct 13 '16 at 21:03
  • Another factor in the choice of dedicated vs smartphone is the cost of mapping. I've costed the dedicated maps for the walks on my bucket list and they total $$$ thousands. The same coverage would be very much cheaper on a smartphone. On long treks, the smartphone is also much more widely useful. So battery life is only part of the equation. – Tullochgorum Oct 20 '16 at 01:51
1

A dedicated GPS is likely to have better signal as well as better battery life.

The key is that you don't have to run it all the time - if it's had a fix within the last few hours it will pick up in a couple of minutes. It's rare to need constant GPS especially with a paper map and a compass (which you should have anyway). So a fix every half hour or hour is often reasonable. Carry the GPS on the outside of your gear and you can turn it on in advance of a planned stop. Clipped to a shoulder strap works well.

Even my old etrex runs for 20-25 hours off a set of alkaline batteries (forget NiMH, they're too low voltage). Turned on for 10 minutes per hour that's over 100 hours off a single set of batteries, or 10 hours on each of 10 days. So with a single spare set of batteries you've got plenty of margin.

A phone is a good backup GPS especially if you've also downloaded maps. But I suggest that it's kept switched off with mobile data and WiFi disabled first (so they don't use battery while it's getting going)

Chris H
  • 26,407
  • 2
  • 63
  • 125
  • It's rare to need constant GPS especially with a paper map and a compass (which you should have anyway). Incorrect, it is very nice to have a log of your treks for remembering https://www.strava.com/activities/734495330 – Vladimir F Героям слава Oct 04 '16 at 20:36
  • 1
    Even my old etrex ... Unfortunately the modern units all more or less run less long due to larger consumption. I haven't find any reasonable replacement for my etrex and I am keeping it. – Vladimir F Героям слава Oct 04 '16 at 20:51