The Incredibles was made in 2004. In the ending it was clearly shown that Pixar is going to make a second part. But Incredibles 2 appeared only in 2018, after 14 years. What caused such big delay? Was it just because Pixar was busy with making other movies?
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For writer-director Brad Bird, it all came down to story.
“The thing is, many sequels are cash grabs,” Bird told reporters during a recent press event to promote Incredibles 2. “There’s a saying in the business that I can’t stand, where they go, ‘if you don’t make another one, you’re leaving money on the table.’ It’s like, money on the table is not what makes me get up in the morning; making something that people are gonna enjoy a hundred years from now, that’s what gets me up. So if it were a cash grab, we would not have taken fourteen years – it makes no financial sense to wait this long – it’s purely that we had a story we wanted to tell.”
Bird admitted that the proliferation of superhero properties in recent years has made it much harder to tell an original story; the first film debuted before Pixar’s parent company, Disney, purchased Marvel, and predated Iron Man by four years - meaning that the new film is entering a very different cinematic landscape from its predecessor.
There's a fair bit more in the source article
Why Did Incredibles 2 Take So Long? Brad Bird Explains the Sequel's Delay
Some of which also relates to multiple rewrites concerning the villain storyline and trying to make I2 more unique in an ever-proliferating cinema-scape of super-hero movies.
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Hmm. 14y? That's how long it takes to get married and have two kids to bring to the movies to watch a sequel that you saw as a kid... Both these answers quote the writer / director. What's the producer have to say about anything except money? – Mazura Jan 28 '19 at 16:59
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29I haven't clicked through to the link. Based on the quoted response, it's not that Incredibles 2 was always planned and took 14 years to make. It's that 14 or so years went by without the director feeling the need to make a sequel. Is that the right takeaway for your answer? – ArrowCase Jan 28 '19 at 17:29
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@ArrowCase If you did click the link and read the article, you'll see that the director was indeed thinking of plots for a sequel as soon as the movie was finished. – Jan 28 '19 at 18:46
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7@Snow There's a big difference between the director considering plots for a sequel and the (faulty) premise of the question ("it was clearly shown that Disney is going to make a second part"). A sequel wasn't planned, but they of course left the door open for one. – jamesdlin Jan 28 '19 at 23:57
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14@Mazura Pixar was (and still is) famous for their official position of never making sequels to any of their movies. Toy Story 2 was their first exception and it was only made because they found a compelling story to tell. It has since been their position of never making any movie without a compelling story to tell. Pixar never plans on making sequels. If there is a sequel it is basically a happy coincidence. Of course, one might expect that under Disney they may change and to a small degree they have a bit. But what happened is that Disney is now run by former Pixar execs. – slebetman Jan 29 '19 at 03:50
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4I'm not sure that Toy Story, Cars, Finding Nemo, and Incredibles kind of negates the "never plans on sequels" story. A quick glance at the Cars wiki shows that Lassiter was planning Cars 2 while promoting the first movie. – Jan 29 '19 at 08:11
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@slebetman Your comment seems to be out of date. I think it's quite obvious that Pixar has no problem planning sequels nowadays. It's not the company it used to be... hence why Incredibles 2 doesn't have a particular good story but got made anyway. – user91988 Jan 29 '19 at 16:52
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4Cars is a little different in that it was basically a cash grab, a departure from Pixar's norm. IIRC, Lassiter's sons loved toy cars and he realized how gigantic the market was for such a movie and related merchandise. – Matthew Read Jan 29 '19 at 20:40
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This answer explains why the director didn't want to start a sequel right away, but what about Pixar? I assume that, at the end of the day, it would have been Pixar's decision to make another one, and if Bird wasn't willing then they could have found another director. Why did Pixar not choose to go that route? I agree with Bird's decision that avoiding sequels shouldn't be seen as "leaving money on the table", but movies are such a huge business now, it seems strange that Pixar took so long for the sequel. – sme Jan 31 '19 at 11:45
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@slebetman that's a nice fairytale to tell to your customers, but their actions speak louder than their words... Nothing wrong with making money, but at least be honest about it. – JonathanReez Jan 29 '20 at 18:07
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@JonathanReez But the policy does explain why Pixar's sequels tend to be very far apart (decades in most cases) and why Pixar have so far avoided the curse of boring sequels. Their actions seems to confirm their words – slebetman Jan 30 '20 at 01:43
The ending of The Incredibles was never meant as a pointer to a sequel. As Brad Bird — who wrote and directed the movie — told CinemaBlend:
How did that Pixar adventure end? The family was leaving Dash's track meet, when suddenly, a former nemesis -- The Underminer (John Ratzenberger) -- bursts out of the pavement and declares war. But, in an exclusive interview, Bird told CinemaBlend that this wasn't always his planned ending, and he explained:
I had another ending that was kind half baked, meaning not really finished in my mind. And I knew that the way to classically end a film is show people getting back in the saddle and riding off into the sunset. But I resisted a little. And finally, my head of story on that film, a guy named Mark Andrews, said, 'Come on, you know what you want!' And I was like, 'All right, all right.' So I thought, it's a way of showing they're together, and that they're going to face whatever obstacles as a group, now embracing their superpowers. So I thought that's what was important to communicate.
<p>I wouldn't have set it up so everyone wonders who The Underminer is. No, no. <strong>It was just, this will be a satisfying ending to this film.</strong> And if there's never another one, we get that the family's together, they're embracing their powers, and they're fighting whatever obstacle comes their way.</p>
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3"In the ending it was clearly shown that [Pixar was] going to make a second part." The Underminer? What a joke. That was just a way to end the movie. Please tell me that's not what the second one is actually about.... – Mazura Jan 29 '19 at 18:47
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1+1 For that opening line, and addressing the real problem: The entire premise of the question is wrong, based on a misunderstanding of the ending. – Wipqozn Jan 31 '19 at 13:38
much like the first film, Incredibles 2 will explore "the roles of men and women; the importance of fathers participating; the importance of allowing women to also express themselves through work, and that they’re just as vital as men are. And there’s aspects of being controlled by screens. There’s feelings about the difficulties of parenthood, that parenting is a heroic act." – Interview with director Brad Bird
14 years is how long it took their target audience's children to have kids of their own. That was necessary for the new audience to appreciate the movie... and of course: extra ticket sales.
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I assume they didn't want to ruin a new IP with a story they didn't have yet. The writer says they were 'laying down tracks in front of a moving train'. But why they could get away with it 14y later... this. – Mazura Jan 28 '19 at 17:32
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3"Pixar was (and still is) famous for their official position of never making sequels to any of their movies. Toy Story 2 was their first exception and it was only made because they found a compelling story to tell. It has since been their position of never making any movie without a compelling story to tell. Pixar never plans on making sequels. If there is a sequel it is basically a happy coincidence. Of course, one might expect that under Disney they may change and to a small degree they have a bit. But what happened is that Disney is now run by former Pixar execs." – slebetman – Mazura Jan 29 '19 at 18:48
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Not sure from when this quote is, but we have Toy Story 2, Toy Story 3, Cars 2, Monsters University, Finding Dory and now Incredibles 2. 6 out of 20 movies are sequels, quite far from 'never'. And touting Toy Story 2 as their first exception is also strange, as it is 3rd film they made, after Toy Story and A Bug's Life. – Artur Biesiadowski Jan 30 '19 at 11:57
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1Toy Story 2 is the only 'exception' on that list, no matter how many of anything anyone made. – Mazura Jan 30 '19 at 16:17
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Toy Story 2 was the first sequel they made to an existing property - @ArturBiesiadowski – NKCampbell Jan 30 '19 at 20:03
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Toy Story 2 started out as a direct to video sequel, something that Disney has done with most of its animated movies for decades. But instead of a fairly rubbish sequel (like so much of these DTV sequels), the story turned out to be really good and Disney promoted it to a theatrical release. Which didn't please Pixar, because they didn't think it was good enough, so they reworked the movie entirely. Toy Story 2 is a massive exception to the Pixar rule, and they wouldn't release another sequel for 10 years. – BCdotWEB Jan 31 '19 at 14:22
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1Note that Pixar only really started to do sequels in the past decade or so. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pixar_films The Incredibles is from an era during which a sequel was an exception. – BCdotWEB Jan 31 '19 at 14:25
Why was there a 14 year gap between The Incredibles and The Incredibles 2. Currently, you could read this as if they actively started making the movie, and it took 14 years to complete, which AFAIK is not the case. – BruceWayne Jan 30 '19 at 18:01