Why are there no guns in Alien³?

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I remember watching Aliens and being amazed with the variety of guns, war vehicles and ammunition shown. My expectation was that Alien³ would have at least as much action involving guns and in general follow death match style of the Aliens. However, if I am not mistaken we don't see many guns if not any.

Why was there such a drastic switch?

It was a prison planet and one of the policies was that there were no guns so that if a riot occurred the prisoners could not use any guns to kill the guards or each other if I remember correctly — EdChum, May 03 '16 at 13:59
Yes, that's actually in the script ("This is a prison. It is not a good idea to allow prisoners access to firearms.") However, it seems the OP is after an out of universe reason. So 'analysis' might be a better fit than 'plot explanation'. — Walt, May 03 '16 at 14:18
Afterall, there was a drastic swith from Alien to Aliens already, as is there from Alien 3 to Alien Resurrection. The heterogenous genre diversification resulting from the many different directors is one of the most interesting aspects about this series. — Napoleon Wilson, May 03 '16 at 14:24
@NapoleonWilson heterogeneous genre diversification, eh? aka variety of genres. — Digital Chris, May 03 '16 at 18:44
did you even see the first Alien? how many guns in that one? (not much. A couple of handguns, and only one flamethrower) — njzk2, May 04 '16 at 17:20
I have, and if you saw Aliens, you would't have made that comment. — eYe, May 04 '16 at 19:17
@Eborbob yes, but the change is just as drastic from Alien to Aliens as it is from Aliens to Alien3. And since the OP saw Alien as well, I am surprised that their expectations would be based on just one of the movies, ignoring both the other movie and the change of tone between the 2 movies. — njzk2, May 05 '16 at 12:24
@eYe I have, and I maintain my comment. All the Alien movies (Prometeus notwithstanding) have been directed by different directors, and have different tone, setting, and atmosphere. Alien3 is not just the sequel from Aliens, it is the 3rd movie of the series. — njzk2, May 05 '16 at 12:28
@user973810 the original title looks exactly like that: http://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/movieposters/14014/p14014_p_v8_ab.jpg — eYe, May 05 '16 at 17:06
@njzk2 some differences are expected, of course, but we are talking about a rather drastic change of removing any guns at all. — sonne, May 05 '16 at 17:18

score 43 · Answer 1 · edited May 03 '16 at 14:28

Why are there no guns or weapons in this movie according to IMDB:

The producers of Alien³ wanted each film to be different in tone and style. It is apparent that they did not want to make "Aliens 2" and made a conscious decision to shift away from the action genre. This also serves to remove the simple solution Aliens presented -- that the aliens can be killed quite easily if you have the guns to do so. The producers removed the guns to increase the threat to the characters. Sigourney Weaver also served as executive producer on the film and she is very anti-gun, though it is she herself who refuses/avoids handling firearms, not necessarily refusing their presence in a film in which she stars, as evidenced in Aliens and Alien: Resurrection.

From a personal point of view, having no guns gave the movie a whole other feeling, and I'm glad the crew opted to go this way. With guns, the aliens seem like a small threat, while without a gun a single alien can cause serious trouble.

Thank you Walt, my english is not perfect and you linked to IMDB page, I might be a little lazy haha have a nice day good sir :) — Alexandre, May 03 '16 at 14:29
The marines from Aliens might disagree with the "small threat" part. — Omegacron, May 05 '16 at 12:16

score 30 · Accepted Answer · answered May 03 '16 at 16:12

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Alexandre's answer gives a good out-of-universe explanation: my answer is the in-universe explanation.

Alien³ takes place on the prison planet Fiorina 161. This is a prison-work colony for violent offenders. From Wikipedia:

The pod crash-lands on Fiorina "Fury" 161, a foundry facility and penal colony inhabited by male inmates with histories of physical and sexual violence.

In the real world circa 2016, prisoners are barred from having weapons. I see no reason why it would make sense to give weapons to violent offenders currently serving a prison sentence even in the fictional future of this movie.

Why not provide weapons locked up so only the wardens have access?

This is an isolated, remote planet. It takes time to travel there: it appears that at the beginning of the movie a call would be sent out with the identity of the life boat, and it took the length of the movie (several days) for a response team to show up.

Looking at the prisoners, there are some big, tough dudes. Would you want to be the warden who can unlock the weapon room with those guys wandering around, when it would take several days for help to arrive? That is a recipe for mutiny, despite the themes of repentance and atonement in the movie. Having lethal weapons accessible to known violent criminals is too much of a temptation.

Besides, why do they need weapons to begin with? It is not every day that a bloodthirsty alien is on the loose, and a planet like that one does not appear to have much in the way of indigenous life that would be a threat to the colony.

answered May 03 '16 at 16:12

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I've got the same feeling, except that it doesn't make much sense to have zero guns on a jail planet. If anything there should be guards that enter the prison with no weapons, and armed guards outside of reach of the prisonners. – Alexandre May 03 '16 at 16:14
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@Alexandre this is not your typical prison: they are mining, refining and smelting ore, etc. The prisoners have a valid need to be wandering around outside their cells. If they were restricted to a cell block then yes, that would make sense. But then why put them on a remote planet? – May 03 '16 at 16:15
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I get your point, all I see is that there is most likely more prisonners than there is guards, which without guns cannot enforce any sort of superiority except for some sort of defense stick at best. Guns ensure authority. – Alexandre May 03 '16 at 16:21
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Yes-- without dominating technology, how can you break up fights or shut down a riot? – user151841 May 03 '16 at 17:02
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The guards don't need dominance. The supply of food depends on them, which is quite enough to keep the prisoners at bay. It's not like some human rights organization will complain if the delivery of those supplies stops in case of mutiny, not on a remote prison planet in the Alien universe, and growing their own food on that godforsaken rock is out of the question. Further, if I remember right, the "guards" are shady at best, being closer to prisoners than to your usual guards (the doctor was there as a punishment too, for example). – Vedran Šego May 03 '16 at 17:50
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The "guards" are the inhospitable planet and lack of spacecraft with which to leave it. Lack of weapons was to give "Ripley" and the audience an eye-rolling moment of shocking realization that the alien had effectively become much more dangerous. – CodeShane May 03 '16 at 18:18
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I think you forgot that those in prison often has friend OUTSIDE the prison. Having no guns and guards makes it like a simple house with no door. "Hey ganster of the galaxy, your friends are here, come and take them, we are not armed". – Alexandre May 03 '16 at 18:55
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@Alexandre I get the impression that in the Alien universe, privately owned spacecraft aren't really a thing. They're either owned by a big corporation, or military. – Adeptus May 04 '16 at 01:33
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Prison guards in the UK aren't armed. Arming of prison guards is not something done universally. – Steve Ives May 04 '16 at 11:15
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I see, I would assume normaly that dangerous people are the kind of people only a gun can calm down. Imagine El chapo in space in 200 years. He would have 200 ships and his men would be able to invade the prison planet. – Alexandre May 04 '16 at 13:43
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@Alexandre as another commenter pointed out, space ships in the Alien universe tend to be large, expensive, and owned by The Corporation (Nostramo) or the government (Sulaco). The only smaller craft both owned by another entity and not a lifeboat is the Betty in the abomination of a fourth film. The idea of regular people up and moving around between planets freely such as in Star Wars is utter nonsense in the Alien universe. And with an active Colonial Marine presence, I doubt a future El Chapo would get very far. – May 04 '16 at 15:02
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I understand what you mean. What I find odd is that in a world where deep space exploration and planetary exploitation exists that there is no one armed on a jail planet. Anyone working there would have to be suicidal since you are willing to go on a jail planet guard criminals without a single gun. Even with a gun I would hesitate even if the pay is good. – Alexandre May 04 '16 at 15:06
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@Alexandre - just accept that prison guards don't have to be armed. They don't have to in real life and they don't have to in movies, especially where NOT being armed adds to the situation. – Steve Ives May 04 '16 at 23:30
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It's possible that the prison originally had guns locked up somewhere, but by the time of the movie, the prison had been practically abandoned. In the extended cut, it's mentioned that the prisoners who are there opted to stay when offered a transfer. There's basically just a handful of prisoners and a skeleton crew watching over them, so it's not hard to imagine the last of the guns were taken when the majority of the guards left. – Omegacron May 05 '16 at 12:20

score 6 · Answer 3 · answered May 04 '16 at 18:17

All great answers and all containing interesting detail - however the truth of it is that they wanted and needed Ripley in the movie. Sigourney Weaver would only do it if there were no guns. So there were no guns.

The Brandywine producers did look at taking the story in another direction if they couldn't come to a deal with Weaver and there is a full script out there by William Gibson which focuses instead on Hicks and Bishop, which uses Communist-Bloc-As-Bad-Guys concepts, the first draft being very action-orientated, a la Aliens and the 2nd Draft condensing that down and dropping the bang-for-your-buck angle.

All-in-all, I think 10 writers produced different takes on the movie (including original director Vincent Ward's wooden planet (yep, wooden) and even a glass planet and even Fincher's finished movie was taken apart and reassembled by the studio before release.

Personally, I think the film is an underrated rough diamond - but maybe that's just me.

I do have some inside knowledge on this, as my writing-partner used to share his life with the film's script-reader.

You are correct, I did post a little about it in my anwser : Sigourney Weaver also served as executive producer on the film and she is very anti-gun, though it is she herself who refuses/avoids handling firearms, not necessarily refusing their presence in a film in which she stars, as evidenced in Aliens and Alien: Resurrection. I'm not 100% sure this played a big factor into the final decision to have or not guns in the movie. — Alexandre, May 04 '16 at 18:21
@Alexandre - There were also guns in Avatar and Galaxy Quest, though pretty much only used by the bad guys. Technically also in the Ghostbusters movies if you count the Proton Packs. Didn't stop her from having a major role in any of those films either. — Darrel Hoffman, May 04 '16 at 18:34
Exactly, I think she simply have a bad opinion on guns in general. I don't think anyone would spit on a big production check just because it involve weapons. — Alexandre, May 04 '16 at 20:34

Why are there no guns in Alien³?

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