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I am currently in middle school, and as many of you know, profanity is thrown around in middle school like clothes in a dryer.

My religion prohibits me from being profane, how can I tell my friends to stop swearing so that I am not influenced by their actions?


For all those wondering what my situation is, I am an 8th grader living in Minnesota. The people I am asking to stop swearing are people who will not believe in my religion, but I would like to still keep them as friends.

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My religion prohibits me from being profane, how can I tell my friends to stop swearing so that I am not influenced by their actions?

You don't. You can't expect other people to follow your religion. If you phrase your request like that, it will likely feel to them like you're asking them to adhere to the rules of your religion.


What you can do, is ask them to refrain from swearing around you because it makes you uncomfortable. You may explain that it is because of your religion, but you really should stress that is making you uncomfortable.

Your friends may not follow your —or any— religion, but if they are your friends, they should have some consideration for your feelings.

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    You even explained why it makes you uncomfortable in the question: it's not that your religion prohibits them from swearing, its that you don't want their influence to lead you towards swearing. That is a very reasonable reason to be uncomfortable (though I admit it may be more difficult to convince a bunch of middle schoolers of this than it was to convince me). It also makes it clear that if they keep swearing, the natural outcome of you being uncomfortable is that you will eventually migrate to a social circle that makes you more comfortable. – Cort Ammon Jul 28 '17 at 19:16
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    This has a disproportional number of upvotes for the quality of the answer. The answer is a little terse and lacks insight and examination of the situation. I'm not saying the author lacks this, but the answer does. For this type of site, it's cringe worthy what the community sees as quality. –  Oct 31 '17 at 19:39
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My religion prohibits me from being profane, how can I tell my friends to stop swearing so that I am not influenced by their actions?

Taking your personal beliefs and imposing it on your friends who do not share your beliefs is not likely to work out well in middle school, or life in general.

They do not follow your religion and cannot be expected to follow your religion. Your religion prohibits you from swearing, not them.

My religion prohibits me from being profane, how can I tell my friends to stop swearing so that I am not influenced by their actions?

You say it is so they do not influence you, but in reality only you can control what does and does not influence you. You will be surrounded by profanity for your entire life and it is unreasonable to expect everyone to cave to your personal beliefs.

What you can do:

  1. Do not swear yourself.
  2. Ask your friends to tone it down if it makes you uncomfortable.
  3. (Middle School Specific) Jokingly make fun of your friends who swear for no reason. Phrases like "Wow with all that swearing you must be really cool s/" and "What does all that swearing have to do with what you said?
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    I'd advise against the passive-aggressive third point. – G. Bach Oct 26 '17 at 07:34
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    Honestly, given the nature of middle schoolers, I'm not sure I can honestly recommend the second point either. I think if OP wants to keep friends and avoid potential mockery (which can be very bad at that age and you have few options to escape it), they should just avoid using profanity themselves and otherwise drop the topic. I don't think there'll be much to gain from trying to get other middle schoolers to stop swearing. – Kat Jan 25 '18 at 19:13
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Don't mention the religion

Only let your friends know that you personally find their constant swearing disturbing. If they care, they will control it.

To strangers, don't mention anything. Let them be.

My experience

Some close friends back in college hostel used to swear too much. It was considered normal back in their hometown. Swear words were like normal words - these friends didn't realize it would offend others.

I never use such words myself.

Sometimes, I'd give them a 'look of disapproval'. ಠ_ಠ

Sometimes I say in a light-hearted way: "Cool it, man! What's up with the language?"

Eventually I noticed a decrease in their swearing - but never completely gone.

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Most religion asks you to adhere to certain principals, some encourage you to proselytize... (encourage others to join your religion)

The particular religious tradition I was raised in encouraged the "make a friend, be a friend, bring a friend to X" sort of proselytizing

Basically it's often better to be an example, develop a relationship, and then let them ask why you behave the way you do, than it is to preach from on high.

Don't try to force others into your way of doing things, let them see that your way is working for you and let them inquire about that.

From what I've understood being a clergy brat, most religions don't prohibit witnessing sin, they prohibit commiting sin. Hearing dirty words isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's saying them that gets you.

Just keep being a good example. Those that see that your stuff is working may come around eventually.

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I think this is something of a potential minefield if handled incorrectly. You are young now, but as you get older this won't just be about what's trendy or rebellious; so certain arguments may not age well. The way you express disapproval is very important. There are good and bad ways of doing it.

You have chosen to adopt a belief which is unpopular. That is your choice, and no one else is obligated to follow it. If you effectively say to them: "this is against my belief, you must not do this", that's a dangerous standard to create. What about when you do something that they don't agree with? Are you willing to change your behaviour to suit them? It's a poor way of mediating disputes. You're basically attempting to command your friends to submit to your authority; that's never going to work amongst peers. And if it does they will resent you for attempting to control them.

When people use the phrase "That's offensive", it's also a bad way of expressing disapproval. Because again it's an appeal to your authority used to manipulate others. And what's more this is often irritating because it's so vague. Like saying "This makes me uncomfortable" it implies you don't trust them, otherwise why would you not be more specific? Amongst colleagues maybe there's no personal connection so you may not want to get into it, but amongst friends there should be honesty and trust.

I personally think often people use phrases like "That's offensive" because it allows them to project strength when really something said made them feel angry or sad, and they don't want to appear vulnerable by being honest about that. But actually when people are honest about their feelings others will be more sympathetic and helpful.

Avoid reacting immediately to swear words with "That's a bad word" or "Stop cussing". Both of which may work, but when you get older frankly that sort of thing will come off as babyish and immature. My pet peeve is "cuss"; the word annoys me because it's like a baby word. How am I supposed to respect you as an adult if you choose to talk like a small child?

So if you want to be taken seriously you need to explain to them why this is an issue for you. You mentioned in a comment that you were swearing in the past, and wish to kick the habit. In the same way if friends know you're trying to change a routine they will often show solidarity. That's true of many cases, like exercise, alcohol, smoking, drug use, food choices, etc.

Explain to your friends that as you believe X, it means that you feel obligated not to swear. Unfortunately you find it easy to accidentally swear, because everyone else is doing it, and you would greatly appreciate if they could swear less when you're around. Say that though this may seem insignificant to them, it means a lot to you.

Incidentally, some languages actually have no swear words. Like Gaelic has absolutely none. It means when people try and insult each other they have to be creative. One colleague said that he overheard his son talking to his mother, referring to the "elderly Gorilla"... eventually realising they were referring to him. So to soften the blow, after explaining your reasons, you may like to add that actually it can be more fun if all of you try and devise creative insults and expletives instead of defaulting to common swear words. If you can invent funny phrases to substitute swear words they may start using them instead, because they're funny.

To summarise:

Lead by example: do not swear yourself.
Be honest: explain why you have a problem with them swearing (I'm trying to swear less).
Request, never demand: phrase this as a request you are making, never an order or demand, especially not by appealing to another authority.
Offer alternatives: encourage them away from using swear words by showing how a creative use of language can be even more funny and expressive.
Be realistic: do not expect them to change immediately, or to always manage to avoid swearing.
Positive reinforcement: if they do swear much less after you've asked, say to them that you've noticed they are swearing less, and you really appreciate the effort they are making.

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I wasn't going to answer this, as I'm a 50 year old woman on the other side of the world. Then I saw this meta question Can I request that a user doesn't hint that I am insignificant because of my age? and realised, I should answer, even though there's differences between us, we are both faced with a similar issue.

My situation

I used to swear a lot - in fact it got to the point that I wasn't finishing a sentence without swearing. I blurted out a swear word, when I normally wouldn't have. I'd have a professional filter - so swear selectively, depending on whom I was with and this was failing me, the habit was becoming so severe.

Also my teenage daughter started swearing and it shocked me into realising what a bad influence I was over her.

So I made a new year's resolution (the first one I've made with an intent of keeping) Keep it Clean in Twenty Seventeen. I made a decision to stop swearing and have been more or less successful in this.

Religion

It's your religious beliefs that may primarily be your reason for not swearing. Whether or not you divulge that as the reason is something of a tricky area, particularly, as you mention, they do not share your beliefs.

This is why I've discussed my experiences, as they're not really religion based and it shows that we can influence people over swearing, whatever our reasons for disliking swearing.

Religion seems to be growing increasingly unpopular (where I am anyway) and people can be mocked for expressing religious beliefs. If you feel comfortable enough with your friends to express these beliefs, then it shouldn't be a problem to state that as the reason for you not liking to be around swearing.

However, in my experience in life, it's usually better to just address the issue at hand - you don't like swearing - than to entangle it with any larger and potentially controversial issue, as the prime message you are trying to deliver is "You don't like swearing" not "You're religious". Introducing religion as the issue may derail the conversation from focusing on swearing.

The difficulties

Now here's the rub. Aussies tend to swear a lot. It's our culture. The F, S and B word are commonplace and now even the C word is being thrown more regularly. And me being such a bad swearer (or a successful swearer - which is not a good thing) and then going cold turkey and stopping, it would cause people to do a double take if I asked them not to swear.

Now in this instance it's been mainly family members I ask not to swear, my children (aged 15, 17 and 23), my sister and my mother. At first everyone was resistant. An instant wall of tension and resistance. "But you've been the biggest swearer!" - exactly! which is why I've stopped.

Handling these difficulties

So how I handled it, was to explain - you know I've given up swearing and I'm trying to raise the bar. I would make it light. Particularly with my mother, we joke when she swears and I joke about how offended I am. This may seem likes it making a mockery, but it has actually worked. She rarely swears in front of me and we're 8 months into this change.

My sister was ok, when I explained to her - when she wasn't swearing and the situation was cool, that I really didn't want to be around swearing. So choosing a time when swearing wasn't an issue was the best approach.

My children, the younger two have adapted quite well, which is interesting, as they're teenagers and teenagers seem to have a reputation for objecting to limits. I am not stern, I simply say "don't swear, it doesn't sound nice" and screw up my face a bit, like I can smell something bad.

My adult son, it more adversarial. He won't be told. What has happened, though, it will devolve into him making a joke, which is an improvement over conflict.

Reasons not to swear

I also actively fight swearing on this Network and one of the things I say to people (both on here and my family) is, it takes more effort to not swear - to find words to fill those places.

Also when there is conflict and tempers are flaring, if you've noticed for example in road rage incidents, people will usually swear when they're angry and the use of swear words will fuel the anger. They're easy to emphasize and exaggerate the intensity of what is being expressed. Not swearing when angry, takes some of the sting out of it, as using a decent vocabulary tends to slow down the brain, as the person needs to find words to express this intensity and when people are angry, often their brains lock up a bit. So a commitment to not swearing is actually practically helpful.

Respond when things are cool

Some of the methods and reasons I've given can be discussed when people are cool. If someone has just sworn and they're corrected, particularly if there's other people around, they're likely to get defensive and become adversarial.

It's better to mention to people who regularly swear around you, that you don't like it at a time when they've not been swearing.

Choose who you tell

The other issue is, if it's an acquaintance, there's unlikely to be much worth in attempting to stop them from swearing or even sticking your neck out and telling them you find it offensive. In a teenage environment, it's capable of back firing and then encourage people to troll you or tease you for your beliefs. Pick you targets, so that you don't become a target.

At the end of the day, you cannot control how others behave, you can only communicate how their behaviour affects you. You need to weigh up the costs and benefits of communicating this to various individuals.

Ask yourself: Are they likely to respect me? From observing their general behaviour, you'll know what type of character they have and whether or not it's likely to blow up in your face. You're allowed to protect yourself from being ridiculed.

Lead by example

There will always be people doing things we hate, that's the world and it makes it difficult when people, who are striving for goodness, are constantly battling the baser nature of human beings.

The best way to improve behaviour in those around us is to lead by example. Just as I was a bad influence on my children and you fear your friends will be a bad influence on you, make a positive affirmation that you will be the better influence. If you stay strong in your mind, with little occasional reminders, people, will hopefully start to feel uncomfortable and a little ashamed to swear in your company.

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    Wow. This was a truly great answer with lots of thought and time put into it. Much respect to you, Mrs. Colomb. – baranskistad Oct 31 '17 at 18:48
  • @baranskistad you can change the accepted answer at any time. The accepted answer is short and terse. It's a shame it has no many votes. –  Oct 31 '17 at 19:36
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Your religious beliefs have absolutely no claim on others, not even your closest friends. It is really that simple. The belief that one's own religious beliefs should have any consequences at all for the behavior of others is a tragic error that will destroy friendships and alienate coworkers.

Profanity is an unfortunately weak kind of speech. You should forgive your friends this minor weakness. It is also speech that is a relatively safe violation of relatively mild social norms, which is why it is attractive to teens. You should be able to understand this in your friends. Make your own decisions about your own speech, ideally without relying on superstition to do so. Leave others to their own decisions, unless they seek your opinion.

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    I would tend to avoid phrases like "there is no complexity to this situation at all" when people ask for help. I would also avoid overly vague solutions like "grow up", additionally calling religion, an important tenet in the OPs life, superstition indicated that you might not be objectively evaluating the situation and may be depreciating something that is important to the person we are trying to help. – Joe S Jul 28 '17 at 15:35
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    One rule to follow when giving advice is realizing that what's easy for you might not be easy for them. – HDE 226868 Jul 28 '17 at 15:48
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As you can see from many other answers, giving a specifically religious (especially Christian) reason for a request is considered inappropriate in contemporary Western culture. Profanity, which used to be considered inappropriate, is now considered appropriate and deserving of toleration and respect, while your religious convictions are considered the opposite. And while it is acknowledged to be inappropriate to use words that are offensive to someone's gender, sexual, racial identity, extending such a courtesy to someone's religious identity is considered an assault on "freedom."

I doubt this shift will reverse any time soon, and you will experience this even more intensely if you pursue your interests and end up in Silicon Valley. Expressing your faith in any form, especially as it relates to questions of morality, will be quite risky. As Bruce Frohnen says:

The lesson to be taken from all this, I submit, is that there is no such thing as a “naked” public square. No society is “neutral” in regard to religion or, indeed, any important set of social institutions or values. The liberal myth of laws that treat all values and value systems as equal covers up an attempt to change the cultural and ultimately religious norms that bind together any stable community. These norms undergird any society’s laws and shape its public life. As the demand for neutrality gives way to the demand for Christian conformity with anti-Christian dictates the bad faith of earlier claims to desire mere “fairness” become increasingly clear.

Given all this, I think the best strategy is to still love your friends who use profanity, but spend more time with friends who will not influence you in a bad direction. You are still young, and so the company you keep now will set your habits and trajectory for the rest of your life. Avoiding profanity in college and in the workplace will be impossible, but if you develop good habits now, you'll be less liable to picking up profanity when you get older. Given that you don't want to make a habit of using profanity, that people generally start talking like those they frequently hang out with, and that it'll be hard to change how your friends talk, adjusting your hangout habits is your best option.

This is also the course of action recommended by your religion's sacred text:

Apostle Paul:

Do not be deceived: “Evil company corrupts good habits.” Awake to righteousness, and do not sin; for some do not have the knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.

Solomon:

He who walks with wise men will be wise, But the companion of fools will suffer harm.

Jesus:

And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.

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    Hi, welcome to Interpersonal Skills Stack Exchange! Feel free to take the [tour] and check out the [help]. Have you confirmed that the OP is Christian? If not, using all-Christian sources is probably not the best course to take. I'd also suggest that you remove the editorializing here about the supposed impropriety of profanity; it comes across as overly judgmental. Finally, can you explain why your suggestion is correct - in other words, what makes it better than simply random advice? Thanks. – HDE 226868 Jul 28 '17 at 17:16
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  • OP has reputation 101 in the Christianity community. 2) Sorry if I came across as judgmental. To be clear, I think that it's only inappropriate after conditioning on OP's religion. 3) Done!
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    @HDE226868 I am indeed Christian, I simply made the question's religion anonymous so that it could be better found and related to. – baranskistad Jul 28 '17 at 18:03