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There's a tradition that the Arabs are descended from Ishmael, son of Abraham. Before Islam, the Arabs did not believe in Yahweh but had their own, polytheistic religions. So why did they have a legend that they were descended from someone from the Hebrew scriptures?

It doesn't make sense to me that they claimed to be part of the Hebrew tradition if they didn't believe in the Hebrew religion. I wonder if someone can explain that.

Ne Mo
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  • I wonder if anyone can attest to the reliability of the citations there. – Ne Mo Feb 23 '17 at 17:32
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    Well, looking around, it looks like Josephus claimed it as well. So there's quite a lot someone could say in a good answer on this, but the short answer looks like it will be "yes". – T.E.D. Feb 23 '17 at 17:36
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    The Talmud refers to Arabs as Children of Yishmael, and it predates Mohammed by centuries. – sds Feb 23 '17 at 18:05
  • Ok, I changed the question – Ne Mo Feb 23 '17 at 18:57
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    Note that pre-Islamic Arabs are not known to leave a lot of writings. Answering such a open question as "why did they do so and so" might have to rely on a lot of guesswork or after-the-fact traditions. – user69715 Feb 23 '17 at 20:48
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    Right. It just doesn't really make sense that they claimed a piece of the Hebrew tradition if they didn't believe in the Hebrew religion. Just wondering if someone can explain that. – Ne Mo Feb 23 '17 at 20:54
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    @user69715. There are thousands of inscriptions in ancient North and South Arabian languages. Plus a huge corpus of pre-Islamic poetry. – fdb Feb 23 '17 at 21:46
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    the use of the term "Ishmaelites" or descendants of Ishmael to refer to the Arabs was probably a tradition invented by the Byzantines to come to terms with them upon first contact. The Byzantines had a habit of referring to contemporary nations as their biblical or ancient ancestors. Eg Slavs =Scythians, Romoi = Ausones/Hellenes, Italians = Latins, Arabs = Ishmaelites. See St John of Damascus as an example – Notaras Feb 23 '17 at 22:20
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    What makes you think that they did? I see plenty of evidence that Jews and Christians thought that Arabs were Ishmaelites, but so far no evidence that Arabs themselves necessarily thought so. Can you edit in a source for your question? – Shimon bM Feb 23 '17 at 22:50
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    @NeMo they could claim decent through Ishmael without accepting any part of Judaism if the stories of Abraham and his family were from a third, more remote source that was imported into both Hebrew and Arab culture. In fact, we see strong parallels between the content of the book of Genesis and Sumerian (non-Semitic!) stories, including the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Sumerian King List. – Robert Columbia Feb 24 '17 at 04:49
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    @NeMo they claimed a piece of the Hebrew tradition if they didn't believe in the Hebrew religion, that's because they believe the tradition to be correct but the religion to be a corrupted and altered form of the original faith which according them has been fully restored to its original form in shape of Islam. Same goes for Christianity as per them – NSNoob Feb 24 '17 at 10:21
  • Sure. The point is apparently they believed it before Islam. – Ne Mo Feb 24 '17 at 10:51
  • @NeMo Evidently as they formed their social structure based on that legend e.g. the division of tribes into Ishmaelite Arabized-Arabs and Native Pure Arabs. – NSNoob Feb 24 '17 at 11:05
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  • The question asserts facts not in evidence. Please cite all references and non-trivial assertions. 2) Please incorporate all the material from the comments in the question.
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  • Which part of the question do you believe is incorrect? – Ne Mo Oct 23 '17 at 12:29