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I'm an American science student, and as such have to constantly fight with the metric and English unit systems. One thing that a couple other students and I were wondering is why, of all the different quantities to measure (length, weight, energy), did time become standard between the systems?

Edit: I am asking more about the history of the unit than the act of timekeeping itself. For nearly every other quantity I can think of, with the exception of charge, there is an SI and an English unit for it. The meter and the foot, the pound and the Newton, the BTU and the calorie. I know that SI units now define the English ones, that the French tried to make a decimal time system, and that "standard" is kind of a misnomer, but the real question is why do both modern systems use the second as their base time unit? Why isn't it ke (just for example, I don't know of any other vastly different units) in one and the second in the other? I can't see it being because of international coordination, because the US gets along fine measuring in English units and doing any conversions on other quantities, while the rest of the world uses the much better system. So to summarize, the unit specifically is what I'm wondering about, not timekeeping in general.

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  • You have to realise that it would be the most difficult thing to have multiple time systems and get people on that system as well. – SMS von der Tann May 23 '16 at 17:24
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    @SMSvonderTann One could say the same thing about other measurement systems. – Schwern May 23 '16 at 18:46
  • @Schwern True, but time is harder to change in people's minds. Plus, converting it would be a pain. – SMS von der Tann May 23 '16 at 19:00
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    @SMSvonderTann "Time is harder to change in people's minds"... got a citation for that? "Converting it would be a pain"... so is converting an industrial plant from imperial to metric, but it happened. None of these statements are unique to time. – Schwern May 23 '16 at 19:15
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    There's nothing as important, obvious, and periodic in distance as the day/night cycle is in time. – user2357112 May 23 '16 at 21:57
  • Partial overlap: http://hsm.stackexchange.com/questions/1884/origin-of-360-degrees – fdb May 23 '16 at 22:09
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    @user2357112: I think the questioner is asking why everyone uses (very nearly) the same second, rather than why everyone uses the same day. Ask Swatch what happens when you try to introduce a time unit that competes with hour/minute/second. – Steve Jessop May 24 '16 at 01:46
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    If you've ever gotten tripped up by the difference between Julian and Gregorian dates, you'll know it's not always been quite as standard as you think. And if you've ever tried to write software that has to do complex manipulations of dates and times across different time zones, you'd appreciate the simplicity of Metric and English units. The libraries that deal with those calculations have to get into ridiculously complex levels of detail about the history of time. – Zach Lipton May 24 '16 at 03:33
  • We do not use the same definition of second. We just think we do because we don't care about that level of precision. If you start working on a small enough (or large enough) scale you will instantly see how unstandardized time is. – coteyr May 24 '16 at 05:50
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    First, years don't divide evenly into some easily manipulable number of days. Second, lengths of light and dark parts of days don't stay the same throughout a year and vary drastically depending on latitude. Nor do those (years and days) have the same lengths over long stretches of 'time'. Those are two critical components of "time" for human usage, so general consensus is tricky. But maybe most important, essentially no one wants a change. Had accurate maritime clocks been invented in China and exported world-wide first, things might be different. – user2338816 May 24 '16 at 06:33
  • Check out traditional japanese time keeping it is quite different to western time keeping. – BevynQ May 24 '16 at 07:24
  • I wonder (like Steve Jessop) if the question could be better phrased as either, "Why wasn't the length of the second changed with the adaptation of the metric system" or "Why don't we use 'metric seconds' (i.e. decasecond, 'kilosecond' more widely)"? Does that make sense? – David Rouse May 24 '16 at 17:18
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    And then there is this oddity of americans driving everyone crazy by using mm/dd/yyyy while the whole rest of the world uses dd/mm/yyyy making it impossible to tell which date is really meant. And then there is things like this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6841333/why-is-subtracting-these-two-times-in-1927-giving-a-strange-result ;) So all in all, time is not very standardized... – Polygnome May 24 '16 at 18:49
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    @Polygnome Meanwhile, I write YYYY-mm-dd whenever possible. – amaranth May 24 '16 at 19:12
  • @anaranjada When writing for an international audience, i do, too, because that is the ISO-8601 format. Otherwise, I prefer the german way of using dd.mm.yyyy ;) – Polygnome May 24 '16 at 19:33
  • @Polygnome You're German I see so I'd say your preferences are mostly due to familiarity (hey I'm Austrian, so same thing applies). Sure it's much less ridiculous than MM/DD but the ISO format has the advantage of being trivial to sort while not having any downsides. All said I'm still using mm.dd.yyyy for my own notes.. familiarity trumps all. – Voo May 24 '16 at 19:39
  • Also, If the same thing can be answered for the coulomb, That would be very appreciated. – Brandon Myers May 24 '16 at 21:00
  • A minor nit to pick: Neither calorie nor BTU are units recognized by the SI. The SI standard unit for energy/work/heat is "joule" (= newton x meter). – Mico May 25 '16 at 16:28
  • Hmm. It may take me a fortnight to think it through. – nl-x May 26 '16 at 07:31
  • Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. – T.E.D. Jun 09 '16 at 00:05
  • The old measurements are not English but Imperial. – RedSonja Sep 05 '18 at 10:24
  • Time is essentially different from any other measure, depending on lunar or solar constants, or both… everything else is a human choice.

    Time basically measures change in the other units… whether we travel a mile or a metre makes no difference to the minute in which we travelled.

    Nature has no basis for a foot, much less a metre

    Length, weight and such are human measures of arbitrary concepts

    – Robbie Goodwin Nov 22 '21 at 21:17

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Most likely because it wasn't until the modern era that anyone really needed, or could achieve, much precision with time measurements.

Prior to modern timekeeping, people pretty much lived on daily and seasonal schedule. The main thing you'd need to know was how close between sunup and sundown you were (and which side, but that's typically obvious by looking at the sky). So the world over, it makes sense to base your time off of a day (and a days off a year), and slices thereof.

That being said, time isn't really as "standard" as you imply. Originally the second was just 1/86400 of the time it took the earth to rotate back around to where the sun was roughly in the same position. After a while timkeeping instruments got accurate enough that the seasonal variances were a problem, so it got redefined based on the average "day" . After the development of Atomic (Cesium) clocks in the 1950's, timekeeping got so much better that the variances in the average day got to be an issue too. So now the second is defined based on the period of radiation coming of a cesium atom (the clocks are right, not the Earth!), so periodically extra fudge ("leap") seconds will be added to a day to keep it from drifting from what the rotation of the earth has actually been doing.

And then of course when the railroads came in the 19th century, the differences in time of day at the various stops became a problem. So the railroads started placing their stops in "time zones" for timetable purposes, rather than having to worry about using hundreds of different time offsets along all their routes. Generally these zones are in whole multiples of hours offset from the GMT zone, but not always.

Even with this, you often have to consult a map (or the locals) to know which zone you are in. But wait, we're not done! There's Daylight Savings Time. Not every area of a time zone will use it, and when they do then when they go on or off of it can vary from place to place (and year to year).

As for days, months, and years, until quite recently there were multiple different calendar systems in worldwide use. The Soviets switched Russia off of theirs onto the Gregorian one in 1918, although for a while they got rid of Sundays to try to retard theism. The Chinese also officially switched to Gregorian, but also continue to use their own native calendar for many purposes.

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    As someone who's had to write (and debug) code that had to work across timezones and DST regimes, I'd really like this to all die in a fire. I'm ready to switch to stardates (but not Trek Stardates, which apparently have similar issues). – T.E.D. May 23 '16 at 20:38
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    You've answered why we use time zones and common calendars, and told some of the advantages of precision time keeping, but I read the question as "why do we use the same units of time, eg, seconds, minutes, hours?" – Peter Diehr May 23 '16 at 23:31
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    @PeterDiehr - I addressed that in the first paragraphs. I mostly concentrated the rest on the history of the second, as that's probably the particular unit most of interest to a science student. But other units were thrown in there both for completeness, and because of the problems they cause modern users. Read the rest as "why standard is a bit of a misnomer" – T.E.D. May 24 '16 at 00:09
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  • 1 Billion Billion Billion (that's a lot) As a software developer I can tell you right now, time is not, at all, anything that even resembles standardized. There are things that help make time more standard, but there is no single definition of a unit of time that works across the board. It's important to remember that time is a period of things happening and not a finite unit. Mass is mass, volume is volume, but time is relative.
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    @coteyr Well, nothing's really "standard", particularly not standards. Obligatory XKCD, "standards". – HopelessN00b May 24 '16 at 15:38
  • Good answer. I like specifically how you point out that not all time zones are whole numbers of hours away from GMT, but remember it's not really an exceptional case, because about 1/5 people live in one of those zones. It's not that exceptional. – McKay May 24 '16 at 17:23
  • Anyone curious about stardates from @T.E.D.'s comment, there's wonkiness that's not on the wiki page: Even in the most consistent era (TNG/DS9/VOY), 1000 units is 1 earth year (as described on the wiki link), but 1 unit is 1 earth day (as given in many episodes, where decimals are percentage of day). – Izkata May 24 '16 at 18:32
  • We still have multiple different calendar systems: Ask anyone from Saudi Arabia, e.g. – Martin Schröder May 30 '16 at 20:20