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I seem to see commentators mention "cheese" with regards to Starcraft 2, but I'm not quite sure what they mean.

If a particular build/tactic is called a "cheese", does that mean it is a considered to be uncounterable? Or does it just mean that it is considered to be a tactic that is "too easy" with regard to its effectiveness? Or is there some other more subtle meaning that I am missing?

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    Should have the terminology tag but I don't have enough rep. – Drew Jul 29 '10 at 21:10
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    Real life example: Australian short-track speed skater Steven Bradbury stayed at the back of the Olympic 1000 metres final, hoping at least two competitors fall over so he could get a medal. It turned out all four competitors fell over, thereby giving him gold. – Golden Cuy Aug 07 '10 at 07:03
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    I disagree that scholar's mate is cheese. white doesn't really risk anything by doing it, and black has to practically cooperate for it to work. – Peter Recore Oct 22 '10 at 20:37
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    @Peter: Scholar's mate is absolutely a cheese. White brings his queen out to be pushed around in the hopes of an easy early win - if it fails, black will develop a piece or two with gain of tempo by attacking white's queen, as well as have more space and full control of the center after the inevitable pawn-push d5. Black comes out of the opening way ahead. If you are still unsure, ask a new question on the boardgame SE; I'd be happy to go into more detail there. – BlueRaja - Danny Pflughoeft Jan 07 '12 at 00:05
  • @PeterRecore Cheese has nothing to do with risk factor. It's just often a symptom of the tactic, but not a qualification. It just so happens that almost 100% of cheese strats in sc2 meet this, but not so much in other games. Just realized this is 5 years late but thats ok... – dphil Nov 20 '15 at 19:22

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The term "Cheese" comes from the adjective "Cheesy". The not-so-subtle innuendo there is that a victory via so-called "cheese" did not come from the players own skill, but was merely because the loser was unprepared for the "cheesy" tactics that lead to their loss.

What qualifies as "cheese" will undoubtedly vary from player to player, but generally the term refers to exploiting system mechanics in a way unanticipated by your opponent, or otherwise not balanced around.

Many people dislike cheese because it is hard to predict and counter if you are not prepared for it.

Several Examples:

  • Thor Rush -- build a factory near your opponent, attack with Thor + repair SCV's around 7 minute mark.
  • Photon-Cannon Push -- rushing a forge and placing photon cannons around your opponents base.
  • Banshee / Void Ray rush vs. Zerg -- takes adavantage of the fact that Zerg has little viable anti-air at T1 other than mass queens.
  • Proxy Rush -- Building a unit production facility much closer to your opponents base than your own so that you can reinforce your troops faster.
  • Worker Rush -- in 2v2 (or more), making no units, and instead attacking another player with your workers alone.
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    These sound exactly like the tactics Ender Wiggin would've used. – kamens Jul 15 '10 at 13:16
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    @kamens I don't like that analogy. Ender considered using his weapons in a previously unconsidered manner, I'd say this is similar to JulyZerg's reinventing the way zerg is played. At first opponents were unprepared and considered his tactics "Cheesy." However, those tactics continued to be effective even after opponents were prepared for it. Likewise, using the MD Device on a planet, while unconsidered at the time, is a sustainable strategy (similar to using nuclear weapons on cities). – tzenes Jul 18 '10 at 17:41
  • I did the worker’s tactic once while playing with friends on a LAN. we all LOLED :) – Martin Marconcini Jul 18 '10 at 23:04
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    @tzenes I think kamens was referring more to the scenes where Ender did things that would only work once (like freezing his entire squad and using them as cover). The larger point being that in a "real" war, you do whatever it takes to win, and unexpected tactics (even those that only work once) are generally seen as a good thing. – bwarner Jul 29 '10 at 15:29
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    @bwarner Using frozen squad members became a standard play in the battle academies. – tzenes Jul 29 '10 at 16:56
  • @Ross A Thor Rush actually turns into a sustainable strategy (strangely enough). You rush Thor's and pump out a drop ship to harass with. It actually works out very well – tzenes Aug 03 '10 at 08:25
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    Just to be clear: so basically it’s name-calling used by players who fail to anticipate their opponents’ moves? – Konrad Rudolph Aug 06 '10 at 10:07
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    @Konrad Rudolph, yes, exactly. – Raven Dreamer Aug 06 '10 at 12:10
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    I think of cheese as relying on the difference between the game's model and the "reality" the game is trying to model. Cheese exploits the artificiality of the situation. – Scott Aug 15 '10 at 02:50
  • I can't see worker rush seriously working, unless maybe in conjunction with double 6 pool zerg. – Lotus Notes Aug 16 '10 at 18:13
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    A cheese build works best against people who do not scout – bobobobo Aug 22 '10 at 16:29
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    @tzenes The strategy of using the MD against a planet was most certainly considered and the generals knew it was the only possible victory. The problem was the mental attributes required to actually carry out such a genocide were incompatible with the attributes required to be a good general. Thus for many years before that battle they were manipulating Ender so that when the time came he would blast what he thought was merely a game planet. – Loren Pechtel Oct 23 '10 at 02:50
  • @tzenes While freezing soldiers became a common tactic what Ender pulled was a one-time-only tactic. Had they realized he was not frozen it would have failed. – Loren Pechtel Oct 23 '10 at 02:52
  • @Loren a cheese is not defined by success, only by if the techniques used to gain an advantage could be sustainable. Whether or not the player choses to sustain them is irrelivent – tzenes Oct 23 '10 at 16:29
  • @tzenes: The just about everybody frozen tactic could only work once--it was based on his only pretending to be frozen. The counter is easy, the same as soldiers do: shoot to make sure. – Loren Pechtel Nov 14 '10 at 04:29
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I would have to strongly argue against those who say that "cheese" is an exploit in the game.

A cheese strategy is usually an all-in strategy.

Reaper rushes, zergling rushes, roach spam, proxy gate rushes are something lots of people consider cheese strategies.

If a cheese strategy is countered, then the game is usually easily won. Cheese builds in SC2 have very distinct openings and you should learn to scout them and be prepared.

In short, cheese does not work against competent opponents. The only reason they work is because the opponent was not expecting it. However, being a competent SC2 player means that you should always know what your opponent is doing.

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Cheese involves an attacker employing high-risk, high-reward tactics in order to win. Such tactics are typically difficult to detect by the victim and often leave the attacker extremely vulnerable. Thus, if the victim is able to preemptively detect that their opponent will be using cheese, the victim is typically able to formulate a strong counterattack.

Cheese receives its negative connotation from those who believe that the cost of preemptively detecting cheese is too high. However, in the case of Starcraft 2, this cost is typically very minimal, usually requiring the use of 1-2 workers and chaining scouting commands.

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It's more about taking advantage of a flaw in the system to get a cheap win. Kicking someone's butt with a reaper-rush, which takes advantage of the fact that the defensive buildings are weak, is cheap. You're not showing skill, you're just exploiting a weakness in the game.

Edit: Reaper rushing is a dated example now, since they've done a good job of making that unit balanced.

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While the first answer has some good points, most cheesy tactics are not "exploiting system mechanics." To call it that would imply it needs to be fixed.

The simplest definition of cheese is any tactic that is considered to require more luck than skill. The example of early proxy rush is a good one. The reason is, you can do proper scouting of the enemy base and the area around your base, but if the enemy got lucky and you just happen to miss his proxy either because your search path just missed his building, or missed him timing-wise (you search a place just moments before his worker gets there). Same goes for something like Void Ray rush. It's very early in the game and the player will try to build it off in a place where they don't expect you to scout. If you don't see that starport early enough, that first void ray may be enough to end the game for you.

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My feeling about Cheese is that is just as legitimate as camping in other types of games, and irritates other players for much of the same reason. I like Daryl's explanation that it incorporates luck more strongly than the more stable builds many players prefer, but I'd like to extend that it works principally by exploiting to maximum advantage the asymmetries between the opposing forces.

A particular feature of cheese is that it works well before the opponent is able to get a reasonable sized, balanced and stable army, because it exploits the compromises players have to make in the early part of their builds. By mid-game, those weaknesses will be covered by the composition of the opponents army.

For this reason, you see cheese play mostly in non mirror matchups. There are more chances for asymmetric advantages in a TvP, PvZ or ZvT matchup than in TvT, PvP, and ZvZ. That said, there are still some interesting things that can happen in mirror matchups that would typically count as cheese.

As a particular example, I'll compare TvT where the defending player is using a 1/1/1 build. A cheesy terran player might bank on the opponent making marines out of their barracks until the factory is up in order to defend against early aggression. Unfortunately for the defender, marines aren't very good against reapers. If the cheesing player arranges for a handful of reapers to arrive before any addons are down on a factory or barracks, it will be very hard for the defending player to hold it off.

On the other hand, the cheesing player could be very unlucky and the defending player got a tech lab on his barracks immediately. A very small number of marauders can hold off many reapers because reapers do so little damage to armored units.

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How about this:

A simplistic tactic designed to get an quick win that unreasonably demands the opponent to adopt very specific and unbalanced countermeasures to survive. Consequently, it is not usually very fun to play against (unless one is expecting it, perhaps)

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A little bit of trivia:

The Korean term for a cheesy strategy is 'strategic play' (as versus standard play).

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I would say cheese would be proxy anything, or cannon rush. 2 gate proxy in their base, 2 rax proxy, cannon rush, etc. These are all strats that dont take much micro nor macro, and are hard to defend against early game and don't really get scouted either.

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