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Recently, a paper was published by Abbot and Morahasy (2017) - see specifically Fig. 2. The thesis of the paper is to train an artificial neural network (ANN) on the temperature time series for pre-industrial ages. Then do forecasting with the ANN to predict the temperature time series in the 20th century. Because the ANN was trained on pre-industrial time series, then we can say that industrialization is irrelevant to global warming.

This goes completely contrary to the IPCC AR5 technical summary, which shows graphs that global warming is due to anthropogenic causes. See page 74 of the latter report.

So which do you trust and why?

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  • Your understanding of the article claims are wrong. The authors are not saying that industrialization is irrelevant, they are saying that existing models do not properly account for the cyclic nature of natural patterns. Thus, their model is better since the cyclic pattern are accounted for properly allowing us to account for the anthropomorphic contribution.
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  • The answer to your basic question would also be 'no'. ANNs are useful for predicting results based upon various inputs, I can't think of an ANN configuration that would allow you to properly include the unknowns associated with anthropomorphic carbon generation.
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    I dont know if you have access to the full article. One of the author has a blog post about it. http://jennifermarohasy.com/2017/08/recent-warming-natural/ – DLV Aug 23 '17 at 03:27
  • And theyre doing time series forecasting with an ANN. This is commonly done nowadays and with very complex data like financial time series... – DLV Aug 23 '17 at 03:29
  • @rjzii What models of anything can account for unknowns? –  Aug 23 '17 at 03:54
  • I have the full paper and could email it to anyone in need of it. – DLV Aug 23 '17 at 04:01
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    I was able to pull the article through my universities library and quickly read it. The claim that industrialization is not relevant isn't support because the authors (in the article and blog) are claiming that only 0.2°C of the deviation is due to anthropomorphic causes. I also noted in the article that there are significant differences between the actual data and ANN predictions (e.g., Fig. 3, 5, 7, 911, and 13). In their methods they note they are using OTS software and the RMSE (Table 5) is actually really high implying that the ANN is not well trained. –  Aug 23 '17 at 04:07
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    In short while I think there is some merit to their application of an ANN, I have a lot of issues with how they are interpenetrating the results. –  Aug 23 '17 at 04:13
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    This B. Macfie Family Foundation that funds the research is very iffy. (I'm just finding out) – DLV Aug 23 '17 at 04:21
  • You can't do that because global warming isn't something determined from statistics. It's instead a prediction from the known physical properties of CO2 &c. See e.g. here https://history.aip.org/climate/index.htm for a fuller explanation. – jamesqf Aug 23 '17 at 05:58
  • @jamesqf I could see the ANN being useful if they were just looking to isolate the natural cycle from the anthropomorphic contributions. That's about the extent of what the ANN could be used for since you can't really "turn the knob" as more carbon is added (or removed) to the system. –  Aug 23 '17 at 20:21
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    @rjzii: That rather assumes that there are natural cycles other than the ones we already know about, and have included in climate models. But now that I think on it more, another major problem here is false positives. The developers seem to expect to get a certain result - that AGW is really just a natural cycle - from their ANN. Therefore, if the straightforward training doesn't show the result they want, they will accidentally or intentionally re-train it until it until it does. – jamesqf Aug 24 '17 at 04:21
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    @David V: That link has everything you need to know about the authors' bias in the second paragraph. "...a speculative theory about the absorption and emission of infrared radiation by carbon dioxide..." They think CO2 emission & absorption are SPECULATIVE, and not something both measured and computed from physical principles? As well as being used in various devices, such as CO2 lasers. – jamesqf Aug 24 '17 at 18:35
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    @rjzii note that "anthropomorphic" means having human form or characteristics. That's the wrong word in this context. The word you want is "anthropogenic", which means generated by human activities – 410 gone Aug 27 '17 at 16:16
  • @EnergyNumbers Good catch, that's what I get for writing without enough coffee. :D –  Aug 30 '17 at 15:12