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I'm wondering why an E1cb reaction needs a poor leaving group like -OH attached to one of the carbons.

I thought the conjugate base of the leaving group must be stable enough not to de-protonate one of the newly formed alkene's H's. But if this is the case, why can't a good leaving group like Br be used in E1cb which would neither de-protonate the alkene's H's.

  • May be considered as a duplicate of: https://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/24145/why-must-the-leaving-group-in-e1cb-be-poor?noredirect=1&lq=1 – Tan Yong Boon Dec 10 '18 at 04:37
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    However, 2nd part regarding whether Elcb can involve good leaving groups is new, thus technically not a duplicate. – Tan Yong Boon Dec 10 '18 at 04:38

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I'm wondering why an E1cb reaction needs a poor leaving group like -OH attached to one of the carbons.

In an E1cb reaction, the rate-determining step (RDS) is the $\ce {C-H}$ bond cleavage. According to Carey & Sundberg (2007), p. 552, for the irreversible E1cb reaction (when the hydrogen abstracted is very acidic), the rate of the reaction may increase in the following order of leaving group: $\ce {I^- < Br^- < Cl^- < F^-}$. Why does the reaction rate increase as the leaving group becomes "lousier"?

From kinetics, we known that the rate of a reaction is determined by the slowest step, the RDS. In the E1cb, the RDS involves removal of a proton to form a carbanion. This step would be accelerated if the $\ce {C-H}$ bond is weakened and when the carbanion experiences greater stabilisation of the negative charge. Poor leaving groups, such as $\ce {OH^-}$ and $\ce {F^-}$, are often able to provide inductive stabilisation of the negative charge, e.g. $\ce {-OH}$ and $\ce {-F}$ substituents are electron-withdrawing in nature. This would thus help to speed up the RDS and thus, the overall reaction rate would be faster with these poor leaving groups.

Note: The explanation for this is similar to that for this question: Why are fluorides more reactive in nucleophilic aromatic substitutions than bromides?

Paraphrased: If this is the case, can E1cb reactions still involve good leaving groups, such as $\ce {Br^-}$?

On the same page, the authors also conclude that:

E1cb reactions generally require both carbanion stabilization and a relatively poor leaving group

If the leaving group becomes a better one, e.g. if the $\ce {F^-}$ becomes $\ce {I^-}$, then the $\ce {C-X}$ cleavage may be more advanced than the $\ce {C-H}$ bond cleavage, resulting in the reaction becoming E2, E1-like or even E1. Thus, if good leaving groups are present, likely the elimination will not proceed by E1cb but by the other pathways.

Update

I just realised someone had a similar question answered already: Why must the leaving group in E1cb be poor? You can refer to that answer for a different perspective. But ultimately, the essence of the correct explanation is well-contained in my answer above.

Reference

Carey, F. A., & Sundberg, R. J. (2007). Advanced Organic Chemistry Part A. Structure and Mechanisms (5th ed.). Springer.

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