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The question I have is for a hypothetical situation where even though rules state(if I read correctly) that activated abilities are in their own unique stack to their owner. Player A plays a field wipe card like say Whelming Wave or Evacuation—can player B tap their creatures in response to the target player to deal damage and kill them before either card resolves? Or, is it simultaneous or does the wipe go off?

I'm relatively new, so I'm curious. The opposing player can really go "In response to that" and make it meaningless? It's fine if it's a rule, but it defeats the purpose of strategic play, of disabling such things because they didn't do it first. If it's considered on top like a counter to my card, it makes sense, but if the stack is supposed to be unique, outside, not on top of an already resolving card, then I'm not sure what to think by the way it reads.

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    Where in the rules do you think it says that "activated abilities are in their own unique stack to their owner"? – murgatroid99 Nov 27 '15 at 05:47
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    Yes, there are often things that one player can do to make their opponent's cards less effective. "Defeating the purpose of strategic play" seems like a pretty extreme based on that, though - if anything, it makes the game more strategic. – Cascabel Nov 27 '15 at 05:50
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    Also, I'm confused about your actual question - what creatures are you imagining player B having? There are relatively few creatures that actually have abilities that let them tap to deal damage directly; most creatures have to attack as part of the combat phase, and that's its own phase of the turn, definitely not something that can happen in response to a player casting a spell. – Cascabel Nov 27 '15 at 05:52
  • It seems that, "in response" sounds like a counter, where an activated ability should happen when activated separate from anything else. It's almost like "I wiped your enemies from the field" and someone goes "Well, I went back in time, activated their abilities to prevent you from already launching the spell."

    Also, I seemed to have misread this part "112.7a Once activated or triggered, an ability exists on the stack independently of its source." (Since an instant or sorcery happened before, and it's separate I thought why isn't it simultaneous?)

    Anyway, I guess it's just broken like that.

     – LmOtaku Nov 27 '15 at 05:54
  • I'm unsure of the name, but it was tap (with mana cost) to deal damage directly to target player. If the creatures have said ability, you'd think it'd be different than say a spell or counter, because they'd have to know in advance something is coming in order to do the ability. I didn't make the game and I'm fine with the ruling if that's the fact, just curious if it was wrong, but apparently not. – LmOtaku Nov 27 '15 at 06:04
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    I guess I'm still a little confused about what you think is happening here. Do you understand how the stack works? Why do you think an ability would be "different than say a spell or a counter", and why do you think they'd have to "know in advance something is coming"? – murgatroid99 Nov 27 '15 at 06:06
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    You would probably be interested in the question that explains what happens when a player loses in a multiplayer game. – murgatroid99 Nov 27 '15 at 06:19
  • I think an ability would be different because it's coming from the field, not a sorcery or instant across all fields from player level to field and so on. A creature cannot see (mythological sense) what a god is doing before it happens. – LmOtaku Nov 27 '15 at 06:19

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There is one stack, that all spells and abilities use (with the exception of special actions and mana abilities). In your specific example, player A casts Whelming Wave, and once they finish casting it, it's on the stack. Then, player B activates their creature's ability "in response" to the Whelming Wave, meaning "while the Whelming Wave is on the stack". That ability goes on the stack on top of the Whelming Wave. Then the ability resolves, and the ability does whatever it does. Finally, the Whelming Wave resolves, and, the creatures are returned to their owners' hands. If, however, the resolving ability killed player A, the Whelming Wave would immediately leave the game with its controller, and it would never resolve.

This can happen because abilities can be activated at instant speed; in this case, they can be activated in response to other spells or abilities. Rule 112.3b says

Activated abilities have a cost and an effect. They are written as “[Cost]: [Effect.] [Activation instructions (if any).]” A player may activate such an ability whenever he or she has priority. Doing so puts it on the stack, where it remains until it’s countered, it resolves, or it otherwise leaves the stack. See rule 602, “Activating Activated Abilities.”

Notable exceptions are the Equip and Outlast abilities, which can only be activated at sorcery speed.

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  • If that's true murgatroid99, does that mean Whelming wave would still go off (returning player B's cards to their hand) even if they kill player A in the process? – LmOtaku Nov 27 '15 at 06:15
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    Oh, is that what your question is? No, the Whelming Wave doesn't do anything in that case. But that's not because of "separate stacks" or anything like that. It's just because when a player loses the game, they leave, and they take all of their stuff with them, including the Whelming Wave. – murgatroid99 Nov 27 '15 at 06:17
  • Even if Whelming wave is played first? (Just confirming.) – LmOtaku Nov 27 '15 at 06:20
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    It's because Whelming Wave is played first. You "respond" to something by acting after it. – murgatroid99 Nov 27 '15 at 06:21
  • So it's as I feared. Thanks. I'll accept your answer. Personal feelings aside. :P – LmOtaku Nov 27 '15 at 06:24
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    I'm not really sure you understand what's going on here. You seem to think that this (the ability to respond to spells and abilities with other spells and abilities) is "broken" or bad, when it is actually one of the most fundamental concepts in Magic. – murgatroid99 Nov 27 '15 at 06:28
  • Difference of opinion I guess, and I'll leave it like that. I'm able to accept that's how it is. Doesn't mean I won't challenge something if I see it differently. Not because I was countered, I would expect the same to happen to me. In fact I've never activated my own creature's abilities in response to field wipes, but I've never had that kind of specific deck, but now I know for the future. – LmOtaku Nov 27 '15 at 06:31
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    Let us continue this discussion in chat. – LmOtaku Nov 27 '15 at 06:34
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The question I have is for a hypothetical situation where even though rules state(if I read correctly) that activated abilities are in their own unique stack to their owner. Player A plays a field wipe card like say Whelming Wave or Evacuation—can player B tap their creatures in response to the target player to deal damage and kill them before either card resolves? Or, is it simultaneous or does the wipe go off?

No If a player looses the game all his permanents are exiled and none of his spells that may still be on the stack resolves. I don't know if it can really matter in 1v1 games but in multiplayer games it does matter and the multiplayer parts of the rules gives the following information.

800.4. Unlike two-player games, multiplayer games can continue after one or more players have left the game.

800.4a When a player leaves the game, all objects (see rule 109) owned by that player leave the game and any effects which give that player control of any objects or players end. Then, if that player controlled any objects on the stack not represented by cards, those objects cease to exist. Then, if there are any objects still controlled by that player, those objects are exiled. This is not a state-based action. It happens as soon as the player leaves the game. If the player who left the game had priority at the time he or she left, priority passes to the next player in turn order who’s still in the game.

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