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Space elevators may be a reality only in the future, but I know we have the basic principles down pat. Something has been bugging me, though. If we had the proper materials, we could build such an elevator high into the sky. But is there a limit to how high? This leads me to consider a special case:

Take two doubly-tidally locked bodies (i.e. they are always facing the same way relative to each other - as if half of the Earth was always facing the Moon). For simplicity, say they are more like Pluto and Charon: they are essentially the same shape, size, and composition, and have approximately the same mass. Would it ever be possible to build a space elevator (now more like a space bridge) from one to the other? Could it be built in a similar fashion to the normal hypothesized space elevators?

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One scheme for building elevators is to start from an anchor mass in synchronous orbit and to extend tethers down and up. The tether above will pull the anchor mass up and the tether below would pull the mass down. Care is taken to balance the two and keep building until the tether reaches the planet's surface.

Synchronous orbit for earth is about 36,000 kilometers above earth's surface. Mars synchronous orbit is about 17,000 kilometers above Mars' surface.

A tide locked moon doesn't have a synchronous orbit as earth and Mars do. However there are two stable regions that hover in the same spot as seen from the tide locked moon's surface: Lagrange 1 and Lagrange 2. And in fact there are proposals to build lunar elevators from earth-moon lagrange 1 or earth-moon lagrange 2.

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The Pluto-Charon L1 is a point where 3 accelerations cancel out: Pluto's gravity, so-called centrifugal acceleration, and Charon's gravity. As the tether extends both directions it would be a balancing act to keep one side from overpowering the other. Some station keeping would be needed to keep the elevator balanced as the tethers move out from L1.

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The tether reaches Charon after unfurling 4569 km from L1, To balance this, an 8612 km length is needed on the Pluto side of L1.

Can the balancing act be maintained while the tether is being unfurled ~8600 km on one side and ~4600 km on the other? I believe it can. Once the elevator is anchored to Charon, the pull of Pluto's tug can exceed the other accelerations. In fact this is a good idea to maintain tension.

An elliptical orbit would cause the elevator length to vary. According to a 2012 Tholen and Buie paper Charon's orbit is circular. In 1997 Tholen and Buie had estimated the eccentricity to be .003 to .008. In 2002 Stern Bottke and Levison expressed skepticism for that result noting that tidal evolution of the Pluto-Charon would drive eccentricity to values negligibly close to zero. Tholen and Buie's 2012 paper are from longer and more careful observations.

An orbit inclined to the Pluto's or Charon's equators would also cause stretching and flexing. Again this system has orbital elements favoring an elevator. i = .001º

A Pluto Charon elevator would be much shorter than an earthly elevator and in a much shallower gravity well. With far less stress, no exotic bucky tubes needed. Ordinary materials like Kevlar could be used. Taper ratio for a Kevlar Pluto Charon elevator would be less than 1.3. But the extreme cold of these bodies could make Kevlar brittle.

Edit: corrected arithmetic errors in calculating L1 distance from surfaces of Pluto and Charon.

2nd Edit: Put in cites to support my claim that Charon's orbit is very nearly circular. Also explained the needed balancing act while tethers are extended from L1. This balancing act isn't the show stopper some think it is.

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In theory, yes, one could build a bridge.

There are several potential problems.

The first problem is that no known natural orbit is circular; all of them are ellipses. If, for example, the semi-major axis of the co-orbital elipse is 11000km, and the semi-minor axis is 10000 km, you need 1000km of "flex" in your bridge.

Further, the "stable" point in the middle is not all that stable, If the two are not the same mass, the L1 point will be closer to the smaller body while the barycenter is closer to the larger. And L1 points are not actually all that stable, anyway.

Since the stable orbital balance point is harder to establish, one cannot "hang" the bridge. If one cannot hang the bridge, then one must push up the bridge. Compressive strength is a major flaw; at present, all known materials require hanging the elevator from orbit, rather than building it up, and even then, only carbon nanotube is viable for Earth orbit.

Given the issue of putting the thing into orbit, the geosynchronous point will be the L1. "stable" L1 orbits are not points, but complex wobbles around the L1 point, due to N-body solution issues. This instability of the L1 makes the initial station unable to be actually all that geosynchronus.

Further still, even tho tidally locked, all know tidally locked bodies "wobble" - the lock isn't absolute, and their orbits are also inclined versus the equator. This means that you have to allow for the non-match - the anchor point must move, or the system must flex from the L1.

This makes, for this author, the bridge to be unlikely, at least barring some form of orbital alterations to eliminate the inclination and eccentricity.

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  • There's no fundamental reason why an orbit can't be circular. You don't see them occurring naturally because there is only one possible circular orbit, but many possible elliptical orbits. A circular orbit is just a special case of elliptical orbit anyway. – Robert Harvey Aug 18 '14 at 15:16
  • Most of these problems could be addressed by actually having two separate elevators that run together but which are mechanically independent. This won't do a thing about the wobble, though. – Loren Pechtel Aug 18 '14 at 16:07
  • @RobertHarvey you don't see them in nature because they can't exist in a 3 body situation. The third body perturbs the second body's orbit and vice versa. And any "bridge" situation is guaranteed to be no less than a 3 body situation - A, B, and Star. Most will be 5+ body situation. – aramis Aug 18 '14 at 23:13
  • @LorenPechtel The pair of stations has the issue of being not the same as a bridge - it's certainly more convenient than surface to surface rocektry, but still not a bridge. And if they connect, the several thousand kilometer difference between apogee and perigee, coupled to the wobble factor and equatorial inclination, you now have two objects in proximity that are likely to hit each other. – aramis Aug 18 '14 at 23:15
  • @aramis I wasn't clear enough--I don't mean side by side, I mean actually coupled together. Think of a telescoping pole--they can move freely in the Z direction but are constrained in X & Y. When the elevator car is in the area covered by both cables it can simply switch to the other cable. Such a system can't tolerate wobble, though. – Loren Pechtel Aug 19 '14 at 04:38
  • @LorenPechtel that's not viable, since the whole thing needs to move in the X and Y as well, due to wobble. If they're connected, you've now got to articulate the whole thing. If not connected, they're at risk of impact. – aramis Aug 19 '14 at 05:48
  • @aramis Charon's orbit is very nearly circular. Eccentricity .00. Inclination to Pluto's equator: .001º http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charon_%28moon%29 – HopDavid Aug 20 '14 at 08:26
  • @aramis And Charon exists in an n-body scenario -- there's Nix, Hydra and possibly other moons. Moreover a connecting elevator would have negligible mass wrt Pluto and Charon – HopDavid Aug 20 '14 at 08:29
  • @HopDavid it's still not actually circular - it's between 0.003 and 0.008, according to http://iopscience.iop.org/1538-3881/125/2/902/fulltext/ ... an 82km variation over 6.4 days. That's a significant amount of distance to cover. – aramis Aug 20 '14 at 17:45
  • @aramis No, NOT according to iopscience.iop.org/1538-3881/125/2/902/fulltext . Read a little further and you will see "our analysis indicates it is plausible that Charon's actual orbital eccentricity is substantially smaller than the 0.003 lower limit reported previously." – HopDavid Aug 20 '14 at 21:05
  • @aramis the .003-.008 comes from a 1997 paper by Tholen and Buie. That's obsolete. In 2012 Tholen and Buie wrote another paper saying Charon's orbit is circular. http://iopscience.iop.org/1538-3881/144/1/15/ – HopDavid Aug 20 '14 at 21:24
  • @aramis Please acknowledge your one and only cite comes from an obsolete 1997 paper. Charon's orbit is very, very close to circular. Your wrong claim on circular orbits makes your other claims suspect. Once again I am asking for cites. – HopDavid Aug 26 '14 at 21:39
  • I believe this would be viable with a flexible tether, one that can stretch some 5% of its length. Its own flexible pull force should be weak enough not to affect the bodies' orbits, but any movement (wobble / distance shift) problems would be alleviated by its tensile strength. – SF. Aug 28 '14 at 10:23
  • There's also one more option: the elevator running MOST of the way to the other body, and ending shy of the least distance between the bodies (pericenter) - that way gravity of the other body holds it taut, while wobble and distance changes don't affect it, and you can reach it with cheap local suborbital flights. – SF. Aug 28 '14 at 10:25
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It should also be pointed out that L1 Lagrange points are exceedingly useful for a variety of testing and manufacturing purposes due to pico-gravity. Any elevator constructed will likely have a station at this location anyway, with two ribbons tethered to the location instead of just one passing through. And the ribbons don't need to be simply tied, that can easily be on a spool that can shorten and length the ribbon as needed with the tidally locked bodies.

In short, even with shortening and lengthening distances, its' very feasible, however it won't be a static structure, but an active one.

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